[NL20-NL50] 50shz QQ CO

    • AtrociousNightmare
      AtrociousNightmare
      Bronze
      Joined: 14.04.2010 Posts: 1,185
      Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      BTN: $67.68 (135.4 bb)
      SB: $105.02 (210 bb)
      BB: $73.56 (147.1 bb)
      UTG: $133.61 (267.2 bb)
      MP: $68.14 (136.3 bb)
      Hero (CO): $50 (100 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with Q Q
      2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, BTN raises to $4.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $3

      Flop: ($9.75) 4 J Q (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $6.50, Hero calls $6.50

      Turn: ($22.75) 5 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $11.50, Hero raises to $39 and is all-in, BTN calls $27.50

      River: ($100.75) K (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Results:
      $100.75 pot ($3 rake)
      Final Board: 4 J Q 5 K
      BTN showed T K and won $97.75 ($47.75 net)
      Hero showed Q Q and lost (-$50 net)

      VPIP: 23, PFR: 20, 3B: 8, AF: 3,4, Hands: 759

      Decided to slowplay 1 street, then get value from Axd, sets, twopairs...
      Could I save myself in some way?
      Or extract more in case he didn't have the flush?
  • 6 replies
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,697
      Hi.

      Preflop: 4bet!!! You are in late positions, BU is probably 3betting you with a wide range. Thus you should 4bet bluff him a lot, and also 4bet QQ. I hate slowplaying QQ and QQ is definitely strong enough to stack off here. Only times I call QQ vs 3bets is when I think 4betting isolates me vs KK+ (that wouldn't be a slowplay, it would be a "potcontrol" with QQ. This is definitely not the case here.

      Postflop: Looks fine to me. I doubt he folds AA or KK with the diamond.

      Thanks.
    • AtrociousNightmare
      AtrociousNightmare
      Bronze
      Joined: 14.04.2010 Posts: 1,185
      Originally posted by mbml
      Hi.

      Preflop: 4bet!!! You are in late positions, BU is probably 3betting you with a wide range. Thus you should 4bet bluff him a lot, and also 4bet QQ. I hate slowplaying QQ and QQ is definitely strong enough to stack off here. Only times I call QQ vs 3bets is when I think 4betting isolates me vs KK+. This is definitely not the case here.

      Postflop: Looks fine to me. I doubt he folds AA or KK with the diamond.

      Thanks.
      I thought his 3Bet stat was pretty nitty compared to how usually 6max is, and I did believe a 4Bet would isolate me vs KK+, AK.
      How is this a "definitely" not the case for you?
      I checked his 3Bet from BU or resteal and it was pretty low as well.
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,697
      Well his overall 3bet % is 8%. I see no reason why his 3bet range in these positions should be less than 8%. It should be 8% or more.

      And 8% is definitely a sufficiently wide enough of a range for us to 4bet QQ for value and stack off. He can have JJ, and maybe even AQ and TT.
    • AtrociousNightmare
      AtrociousNightmare
      Bronze
      Joined: 14.04.2010 Posts: 1,185
      Originally posted by mbml
      Well his overall 3bet % is 8%. I see no reason why his 3bet range in these positions should be less than 8%. It should be 8% or more.

      And 8% is definitely a sufficiently wide enough of a range for us to 4bet QQ for value and stack off. He can have JJ, and maybe even AQ and TT.
      My bad I read twice the wrong stat for 3Bet.
      Mistaken AF for 3Bet.
      lol, forget what I said then.
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,697
      Yep, I suppose flatting QQ vs 3% range makes more sense. 700 hands is enough for you to have a rough idea about his preflop tendencies.
    • AtrociousNightmare
      AtrociousNightmare
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      Joined: 14.04.2010 Posts: 1,185
      Originally posted by mbml
      Yep, I suppose flatting QQ vs 3% range makes more sense. 700 hands is enough for you to have a rough idea about his preflop tendencies.
      Indeed I do not know why I didn't 4Bet. Stupid tilt.