[NL20-NL50] playing JJ

    • daisuke3823
      daisuke3823
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      $0.1/$0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (5 handed)
      Known players:
      SB:
      $21.21
      BB:
      $1.84
      MP3:
      $26.51
      CO:
      $10.87
      BU (Hero):
      $24.90

      Preflop: Hero is BU with J, J.
      MP3 raises to $0.75, CO calls $0.75, Hero calls $0.75, SB folds, BB raises to $1.84, MP3 calls $1.09, CO calls $1.09, Hero calls $1.09.

      Flop: ($7.46) 5, 7, 4 (3 players)
      MP3 bets $5.25, CO folds, Hero raises to $12.00, MP3 folds.

      Turn: ($24.71) 5 (2 players)

      River: ($24.71) T (2 players)

      Final Pot: $24.71.
      MP2  93 hands vpip23 pfr19 af3.5 wtsd15 w$SD50 flopCB83              CO  20 hands  vpip42 pfr0 af4 wtsd38
      BB 15 vpip67 pfr20 af1,3 wtsd50

      MP2 didnt raise preflop,so I thought there was no QQ+
      and his flop CB was high, I didnt want ace high to hit on the turn or river so I raised.
      I was ready to go broke .
      was it overplayed ?
  • 5 replies
    • w34z3l
      w34z3l
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      Hey daisuke3823,

      Call preflop is fine - you can set-mine in a 4way pot. Your plan should be to fold most flops without a J.

      I think your flop-raise is overplayed. MP3 can very easily have a set when he bets into 4 players. He can't really be ever bluffing because there is a dry side-pot. You are either way behind a set or close in equity vs draw+pair type stuff. Fold flop imo.
    • daisuke3823
      daisuke3823
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      Joined: 05.02.2008 Posts: 8,321
      Originally posted by w34z3l
      Hey daisuke3823,

      Call preflop is fine - you can set-mine in a 4way pot. Your plan should be to fold most flops without a J.

      I think your flop-raise is overplayed. MP3 can very easily have a set when he bets into 4 players. He can't really be ever bluffing because there is a dry side-pot. You are either way behind a set or close in equity vs draw+pair type stuff. Fold flop imo.
      he bets into 4 players?
      but he bets against just 2 players and BB only has 1.84$ short and he already went all in.

      still fold?
    • w34z3l
      w34z3l
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      Originally posted by daisuke3823
      he bets into 4 players?
      but he bets against just 2 players and BB only has 1.84$ short and he already went all in.

      still fold?
      Sorry what I mean to say was, the pot is 4way. He bets into 3players.

      BB is still in the hand, he's just allin and therefore doesn't have an action on the flop.

      This means if everyone folded MP3 would still have to see a showdown against BB, so he's basically never bluffing. I would fold in this spot - it's a way-behind/slightly-ahead spot. You should stick to your preflop plan of setmining.
    • Gonchan
      Gonchan
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      Joined: 14.06.2011 Posts: 2,867
      How about squeeze preflop?

      JJ is still border line but against not tight villain, is it profitable play?
    • w34z3l
      w34z3l
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      Originally posted by Gonchan
      How about squeeze preflop?

      JJ is still border line but against not tight villain, is it profitable play?
      Yeah, I think it's ok in this spot actually.

      Normally I wouldn't 3bet JJ vs MP open at 25nl, unless villain is loose and has a low Ft3bet.

      However even if MP doesn't call with worse, you trap a little extra money and possibly isolate yourself vs the mid-stacked CO who might call worse. It's difficult to say which is higher EV (flatting/calling), it depends heavily on CO imo.

      If CO is going to be folding a lot you might as well squeeze with part of your range that isn't strong enough to call.