[NL2-NL10] NL10 KJo 3bet from Sb

    • Festfingre
      Festfingre
      Silver
      Joined: 19.07.2011 Posts: 70
      Known Players:
      MP3: $10.19 - 102 bb
      CO: $10.73 - 107 bb
      BU: $10.10 - 101 bb
      SB: $10.94 - 109 bb
      BB: $8.83 - 88 bb

      0.05/0.10 No Limit Hold'em (5 Handed)
      Hand recorder for this hand: PokerStrategy.com SideKick 1.1.210.3

      Preflop: Hero is SB with K:spade: , J:heart:
      Hero posts small blind ($0.05), BB posts big blind ($0.10), 2 folds, BU raises for $0.30, Hero 3-bets $0.95, BB folds, BU calls

      Flop: ($2.10 - 21 bb) Q:spade: , 8:spade: , 4:heart: (2 Players)
      Hero checks, BU checks

      Turn: ($2.10 - 21 bb) T:diamond: (2 Players)
      Hero bets $1.30, BU calls

      River: ($4.70 - 47 bb) 2:diamond: (2 Players)
      Hero checks, BU bets $3.33, Hero folds, BU gets uncalled back ($3.33)


      Hello

      Stats on villain:
      vpip\pfr\4bet\ft3bet\hands - 18\13\0.0\60\298 (abc player)

      3bet sizing was a misclick, i always 3bet 1$ from blinds.

      Is my 3bet ok here?
      And when i check the flop, and hit a draw on the turn, i often bet for value,
      but i'm always wondering if thats just bad play.
      I finally remembered to flag an example.



      Thanks

      Edit: sorry wrong headline there for a while
  • 8 replies
    • kymupa
      kymupa
      Bronze
      Joined: 22.10.2009 Posts: 22,364
      Hello,

      I think 3betting here is fine. I am a little bit concerned about his rather low fold to 3bet, but I guess that he opens wider at BU.

      How much he folds against a cbet?
      I think we can consider barreling flop and some turn cards, but there's nothing wrong in checking here and folding against aggression.

      As played, you say that you bet for value on the turn - what worse hands do you expect to call us?
      I think checking and playing according to the pot odds is fine. He isn't folding a made hand and it's likely that he calls hands like AJ plus we are OOP.

      On the river is fine.

      Best,
      Plamen
    • Festfingre
      Festfingre
      Silver
      Joined: 19.07.2011 Posts: 70
      I don't have stats for ftcb, my hud is packed as is.

      When you say which worse hands will call, do you mean river?
      I suppose i have made an error of judgement on these parts.
    • kymupa
      kymupa
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      Joined: 22.10.2009 Posts: 22,364
      And when i check the flop, and hit a draw on the turn, i often bet for value
      I'm talking about this - when we bet for value, there must be worse hands calling us.
      In this case, what are the worse hands that are going to call us here?
      Which do you think are the better ones? How much equity do we have against this calling range?
    • Festfingre
      Festfingre
      Silver
      Joined: 19.07.2011 Posts: 70
      Ok

      On the turn, any hand calling except AJo would be better.

      I put his range on JJ-99, AQs-A10s, AQo-AJo (not then, but now)

      My equity is about 20%

      When i think about how he played, my best guess is AsTs.
      maybe AsJs.

      Did i do good or bad here?
    • Festfingre
      Festfingre
      Silver
      Joined: 19.07.2011 Posts: 70
      Forgot to tick off advise judge
    • Festfingre
      Festfingre
      Silver
      Joined: 19.07.2011 Posts: 70
      I wonder if i've been misunderstood here,

      I did not mean did i play good or bad

      I guessed the hand ranges and villains hand as a response to judges
      question, i took it as a challenge to learn not as mocking, hope i wasn't
      wrong here.

      In other words; did i do good or bad on the guessing?
      And was my equity correct?
    • kymupa
      kymupa
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      Joined: 22.10.2009 Posts: 22,364
      Hey,

      I think that when he checks the flop we can exclude Qx from his range (at least the strong ones such as KQ/QA) and probably FD as well.

      So I thin his range must be something like JJ-99 which obviously are not folding, hands like AJ/AT which are likely to continue as well.

      As you said, we have very little equity against those hands, and if we don't think we have any fold equity (for example against hands like 77/66 if he calls those) we can't really make a +EV bet here.

      So overall, my initial point was that we can not value bet if there are no worse hands to call us.
    • Festfingre
      Festfingre
      Silver
      Joined: 19.07.2011 Posts: 70
      Thanks that makes alot of sense.

      I think i confused valuebets with semibluffs