[NL20-NL50] KQs vs weird line

    • dobermann123
      dobermann123
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      Joined: 08.01.2008 Posts: 730
      Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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      Hero (BTN): $63.27 (126.5 bb)
      SB: $83.75 (167.5 bb)
      BB: $50 (100 bb)
      UTG: $52.29 (104.6 bb)
      MP: $58.34 (116.7 bb)
      CO: $85.12 (170.2 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with K Q
      UTG raises to $1.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.50, 2 folds

      Flop: ($3.75) J 2 4 (2 players)
      UTG bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50

      Turn: ($8.75) 2 (2 players)
      UTG checks, Hero bets $5.50, UTG calls $5.50

      River: ($19.75) Q (2 players)
      UTG bets $11, Hero calls $11

      Results:
      $41.75 pot ($2.71 rake)
      Final Board: J 2 4 2 Q
      Hero mucked K Q and lost (-$20.50 net)
      UTG showed Q J and won $39.04 ($18.54 net)


      Vilain is a bad regular 22/15 , 44% cbet oop flop, 30% cbet oop turn.
      On the flop I decide to call since he won't bet a lot on the turn and can have free card or win by betting on turn, + he doesn't cbet a lot, so I don't think raising is best play here.
      On the turn I try to push him off by betting and he called. On the river I hit top pair, but he lead. I decide to call.
  • 5 replies
    • w34z3l
      w34z3l
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      Joined: 03.08.2009 Posts: 13,303
      Hey dobermann123,

      Just fyi, KQs is probably behind the range that UTG opens in terms of equity. You might still be able to play being in position and with suitedness, but often it won't be hugely profitable. You could even 3bet bluff this.

      I like a flop flat, villain may still have a reasonably tight range and you don't want to get the stacks in at this stage.

      Turn bet is decent, you will usually take the pot down a lot. A smaller bet may even achieve the same result here.

      River is strange. It's possibly a fold. There aren't really any bluffs he can have, unless specifically something like A:hT. Broadway hands without a flush-draw are usually not getting past the turn. I'd expect to see JJ/QQ/KK/AA/QJ most of the time even if the line is little strange with some of these.
    • dobermann123
      dobermann123
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      Joined: 08.01.2008 Posts: 730
      Wich equity do you think I need preflop to call vs the opening range from UTG ?
      50% ? 55% ?

      Should I try to set mine vs regular with underpair ?
      Should I try MP ? Should I try BTN ? Should I try heads up ? Should I try only multiway ?
    • w34z3l
      w34z3l
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      Joined: 03.08.2009 Posts: 13,303
      Originally posted by dobermann123
      Wich equity do you think I need preflop to call vs the opening range from UTG ?
      50% ? 55% ?
      Theoretically you could hold 2 jokers with 0 equity and you can call profitably vs some opponents if they have huge leaks postflop. 50% equity or more is a good guide with position. Your call with KQs may be fine in this spot if you have a big skill edge over opponent.

      Originally posted by dobermann123
      Should I try to set mine vs regular with underpair ?
      Should I try MP ? Should I try BTN ? Should I try heads up ? Should I try only multiway ?
      Sorry, I don't understand your question. Could you rephrase somehow? There is no set-mining in this hand anywhere I can see.
    • dobermann123
      dobermann123
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      Joined: 08.01.2008 Posts: 730
      Should I call with pocket pair vs UTG for set mining ? I won't have 50% equity. So that's the question.
    • w34z3l
      w34z3l
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      Originally posted by dobermann123
      Should I call with pocket pair vs UTG for set mining ? I won't have 50% equity. So that's the question.
      Yes. So long as the stacks are deep enough.

      There are 2 reasons you call preflop.

      1) You are ahead of your opponents range.

      2) You are behind your opponents range but you have really great implied odds.


      It's hands in the middle that can cause trouble. Hands that are behind your opponents range and suffer from reverse implied odds. Usually hands that make dominated top pairs like QT/QJ/KJ/AT etc sometimes KQ.