[NL20-NL50] NL25 FR: 99 in SB vs UTG raise

    • Kruppe
      Kruppe
      Black
      Joined: 20.02.2008 Posts: 2,144
      Full Tilt Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
      LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

      Kruppe (SB): $26.45
      BB: $49.75
      UTG: $50.40
      UTG+1: $92.55
      UTG+2: $49.40
      MP1: $22.75
      MP2: $47.50
      CO: $49.90
      BTN: $55.15

      Pre-Flop: 9:club: 9:spade: dealt to Kruppe (SB)
      UTG raises to $0.85, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO folds, BTN folds, Kruppe folds, BB calls $0.60
  • 12 replies
    • Faye6891
      Faye6891
      Bronze
      Joined: 09.11.2007 Posts: 1,234
      I'd call and probably take a shot at the pot if only low cards hit the board. You can't really put him on a big pair just because he's UTG, and even if you do, you can still call for setvalue.
    • TimothyVdp1
      TimothyVdp1
      Bronze
      Joined: 11.12.2007 Posts: 5,820
      You can really never fold this
      major leak
      you're both 200bb deep and if you hit your set you're probably gonna get paid of big if he's holding an overpair!
      Also, if you don't like playing that deep you should leave the table.
      If your bankroll doesn't allow it you should leave the table too!
    • Kruppe
      Kruppe
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      Joined: 20.02.2008 Posts: 2,144
      I only had 106 BB
    • TimothyVdp1
      TimothyVdp1
      Bronze
      Joined: 11.12.2007 Posts: 5,820
      Originally posted by Kruppe
      I only had 106 BB
      stupid hand converter :P
      anyway, even at 100bb deep you HAVE to call for setvalue here ;)
    • cindy1985
      cindy1985
      Bronze
      Joined: 13.11.2007 Posts: 358
      I dont agree. I used to think the same, and recently I went through my database and it appears I am losing money on medium pocket pairs, I think mostly because I used to call oop for set value. I think starting from today I will also fold this hand.
    • generals007
      generals007
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.09.2007 Posts: 578
      I'd not fold small PP, there's a nice stacks to be taken. Don't miss out on the major money.

      In this situation it's really a coinflip for me though. If UTG raises in NL25 he might have a high PP. Usually you are happy if you hit and he seems to have hit an overpair. But if he hits there you get your trips covered, and that means you lose your whole stack instead of winning his.

      I'd still call in this situation since you might be facing two opponents, which increases your EV on a hit set. If I am last to go I decide upon my chance of winning on a donkbet-bluff on the flop. I usually have flop-stats below my overall postflop stats.
      And if WTSD is high, I call every time since he will play TPTK or sth like this to allin all the more often.

      gen
    • Faye6891
      Faye6891
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      Joined: 09.11.2007 Posts: 1,234
      Originally posted by cindy1985
      I dont agree. I used to think the same, and recently I went through my database and it appears I am losing money on medium pocket pairs, I think mostly because I used to call oop for set value. I think starting from today I will also fold this hand.
      IMO, either your sample size is not big enough or your post-flop play is not good enough.
    • cindy1985
      cindy1985
      Bronze
      Joined: 13.11.2007 Posts: 358
      No, I think it's just to hard to get the money in when you're oop. Check raise the flop and a thinking opponent will let it go, check/call the flop and you wont get the pot to be big enough to justify the set mining...

      With two opponents I would still call though.
    • generals007
      generals007
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      Joined: 17.09.2007 Posts: 578
      Originally posted by cindy1985
      No, I think it's just to hard to get the money in when you're oop. Check raise the flop and a thinking opponent will let it go, check/call the flop and you wont get the pot to be big enough to justify the set mining...
      What about raising a hit flop lol. Villain will either have hit himself and pay you off or on a low board try to float you because he doesn't believe you have hit anything. You usually get a lot of money in there.

      gen
    • sw0ldo
      sw0ldo
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      Joined: 31.07.2007 Posts: 397
      Hello Kruppe

      This is an easy call for set value considering you have way more than the 20x the raise.
    • Kruppe
      Kruppe
      Black
      Joined: 20.02.2008 Posts: 2,144
      Kruppe is retarded.
    • Faye6891
      Faye6891
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      Joined: 09.11.2007 Posts: 1,234
      Originally posted by Kruppe
      Kruppe is retarded.
      LOL!!

      @cindy1985: Bet the flop when you hit. You should hardly ever slowplay a set.