[NL2-NL10] JJ overpair, good fold?

    • brian997
      brian997
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      $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Holdem
      iPoker
      10 players
      Converted at weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG ($2.24)
      UTG+1 ($4.86)
      UTG+2 ($1.91)
      MP1 ($5.02)
      MP2 ($3.79)
      MP3 ($6.45)
      CO ($1.12)
      Hero ($4.96)
      SB ($2.08)
      BB ($1.94)

      Pre-flop: ($0.06, 10 players) Hero is BTN J:spade: J:heart:
      UTG calls $0.04, UTG+1 calls $0.04, 1 fold, MP1 raises to $0.20, MP2 calls $0.20, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.20, SB calls $0.18, BB calls $0.16, UTG calls $0.16, UTG+1 calls $0.16

      Flop: 2:diamond: 6:club: 9:heart: ($1.40, 7 players)
      SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets $1, 1 fold, Hero folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds

      Final Pot: $2.33

      MP1 wins $2.33 ( won +$1.13 )
      MP2 lost -$0.20
      Hero lost -$0.20
      SB lost -$0.20
      BB lost -$0.20
      UTG lost -$0.20
      UTG+1 lost -$0.20


      My thought was that he was obviously holding a high PP or AK, AQ. On the flop I decided to fold since there were too many players left to act and no way I could put the other opponents on any particular hand.
  • 9 replies
    • Faye6891
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      I don't like folding here, there are so many fish down in this limit that I believe you'll be ahead quite often. I'd just push since a raise would leave me committed.

      I think another option would have been to reraise PF in order to thin out the field.
    • brian997
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      Oh I forget to mention that I had stats on him :P
      VP$IP 12.1
      PFR 6.8
      WTSD 42
      W$SD 78

      so I am very certain that he had me beat, and I was praying for a J or a non drawy board. But since there was no J and the board is reaking of a st8 for the later players, I folded
    • Faye6891
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      Stats are not too good depending on the sample size.

      On higher limits I'd say that a player, regardless of their stats, who bets into six opponents has got to have something, but in NL4... I'm not sure.

      I think AF and sample size would be good to take into consideration. If the sample size is too small I'm still pushing, If his AF is high, I'm still pushing, otherwise a fold is a good idea.

      That's what I think but I may be wrong.
    • brian997
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      you just want to push eh :P
      His AF was 1.9, sample size is 2400+ hands
    • Tosh5457
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      If you think he can hold 2 overcards here you have to raise, if you're sure he has an overpair no point doing it. You can fold, wait for a better spot :)

      I just read your last post, his WTS is high but he doesn't see many flops either... and his AF is kind of low, but not too low. I think folding is fine, is AF is low so i don't think he's got 2 overcards here. And his W$SD is very high, he only goes to showdown with premium hands.
    • brian997
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      Originally posted by Tosh5457
      I just read your last post, his WTS is high but he doesn't see many flops either... and his AF is kind of low, but not too low. I think folding is fine, is AF is low so i don't think he's got 2 overcards here. And his W$SD is very high, he only goes to showdown with premium hands.
      my reads exactly, then when you factor in that the remaining players could have hit the nuts, it wasn't worth a push. I should have raised preflop, but his PFR is low, so I knew he was probably raising a hand that would have me beat if I didn't hit the flop, hence why I opted for a call.
    • generals007
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      I think this is a good fold... he won't try contibetting with AK into that many players... he's gotta have a hit set or high PP

      gen
    • Faye6891
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      Given his AF and the number of opponents folding is fine (see, I don't want to push all the time :P ).

      But against an unknow or lag, I'm still pushing. ;)
    • TribunCaesar
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      Originally posted by Faye6891
      Given his AF and the number of opponents folding is fine (see, I don't want to push all the time :P ).

      But against an unknow or lag, I'm still pushing. ;)
      #2

      Yep, I agree to that.