[NL20-NL50] NL50 SH - A5s: river vs passive player

    • Lunitis
      Lunitis
      Gold
      Joined: 22.02.2009 Posts: 20,132
      36/2
      1.3 af
      29% wwsf
      56 hands



      UTG: $78.95 (157.9 bb)
      MP: $44.80 (89.6 bb)
      CO: $51.75 (103.5 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $63.38 (126.8 bb)
      SB: $54.09 (108.2 bb)
      BB: $56.72 (113.4 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with 5:diamond: A:diamond:
      UTG folds, MP calls $0.50, CO folds, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, MP calls $1.50

      Flop: ($4.75) 9:heart: 5:club: A:club: (2 players)
      MP checks, Hero bets $3.75, MP calls $3.75

      Turn: ($12.25) 7:spade: (2 players)
      MP checks, Hero bets $9.25, MP calls $9.25

      River: ($30.75) 7:diamond: (2 players)
      MP bets $29.80 and is all-in, Hero ?

      My 5 just got useless, but anyway i dont think he would play AK lide this. I think im beat or he have missed flush draw. Is he too passive to bluff flush draw?
  • 4 replies
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.01.2010 Posts: 13,897
      Hi,

      He's too passive and he is giving you way too bad odds to consider calling here for the reason that 'he doesn't play AK like this'.

      He can play A9 like this, he can play 78 like this, A7 and so forth. He would usually check/fold a flushdraw based on my experience.
    • serverm07
      serverm07
      Basic
      Joined: 08.08.2012 Posts: 1,130
      Hi,

      I think in spots like this, it's more important to look at his river tendencies and have some reads on how he would play a fd on flop/turn. Also wwsf seems a bit useless here and rather know what his WTSD is instead. Basically want to know his vpip/limping range from MP, how he plays fds oop on flop and turn, then know his river tendencies to make the best decision imo. But I don't think it's unheard of even for passive fish to bluff rivers.

      My read on most fish is, they are stations on flop/turn, aggro monkeys on the river. Obv not always true but that's the guideline I use.
    • Lunitis
      Lunitis
      Gold
      Joined: 22.02.2009 Posts: 20,132
      27% wtsd but only 17 sopts.
      Some years ago i didnt used wwsf, and used a lot wtsd, but im using more and more wwsf and less wtsd. I know they arent used for exact same purpose..
      I normally use wtsd to know if i should value bet light (very high wtsd) or if i can bluff often (very low wtsd). wwsf im using to estimate villains aggressiveness to predict how often are they bluffing for example.
      Here you would expect a high wtsd to bluff more?
    • serverm07
      serverm07
      Basic
      Joined: 08.08.2012 Posts: 1,130
      typically high wtsd and low af=more passive fish.
      lower wtsd and high af=fish capable of da bluff bluff pass.