[NL20-NL50] KK vs supernit

    • dobermann123
      dobermann123
      Black
      Joined: 08.01.2008 Posts: 730
      Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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      BB: $25 (50 bb)
      UTG: $66.12 (132.2 bb)
      MP: $61.99 (124 bb)
      CO: $65.16 (130.3 bb)
      BTN: $50 (100 bb)
      Hero (SB): $104.40 (208.8 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with K K
      2 folds, CO raises to $1.50, BTN folds, Hero raises to $6, BB folds, CO raises to $20.50, Hero folds

      Results:
      $12.50 pot
      CO mucked and won $12.50 ($6.50 net)


      Vilain is a turbo nit 16/7 1,6% 3bet 2,2 4bet range ( but probably less when deep stack ). 1,4K hand.

      I don't think vilain can easy broke less than KK+ here. So I fold.
  • 7 replies
    • ChangNoi77
      ChangNoi77
      Bronze
      Joined: 27.06.2012 Posts: 352
      If you feel you can't stack off KK then definately don't 3 bet it as a bluff and waste the value of your hand. Call and keep his weaker hands in.
    • dobermann123
      dobermann123
      Black
      Joined: 08.01.2008 Posts: 730
      It's only true if vilain won't call with worse hand than KK versus 3bet.
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.01.2010 Posts: 13,897
      Hey,

      Your 3bet is quite big imo.. I would just go with 10-11bb... 12bb might not seem like too much but now when he 4bets you cannot 5bet/fold which should in general be doable with 130bb stacks.

      Regarding the fold, I am not thrilled about it. What's his fold against 3bet? What's his call against 3bet and specifically his UO PFR% (RFI) from CO? If his 4bet is close to his true range you have to stack off. You basically need to know he calls the 3bets super often and that you actually make money post against his range to justify 3bet/folding KK here.
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      Hi.

      ChangNoi has a point, but what you said is also true. What is his fold to 4b?

      He is 16/7, so his raising range should be pretty strong. I think he could potentially flat some worse hands like mid pairs, AK,AQs, maybe AJs/KQs.

      I'm usually not a huge fan of 3bet/folding a value hand (would typically prefer flatting vs tighter opening ranges), but I think it's pretty safe to assume that villain doesn't 4bet light preflop given stack depth. I'm not sure about your image vs him, but I'd expect him to flat AK and QQ almost always. And given the deep stack situation I think he should be calling the 3b wider while 4betting significantly tighter

      His 4bet size seems kind of large though, and it would be pretty disastrous if he does have QQ/AK. Still, folding seems ultra nitty but I am fine with it.

      Nice hand.
    • dobermann123
      dobermann123
      Black
      Joined: 08.01.2008 Posts: 730
      Open steal CO 14% ( but BTN 11% , so that doesn't mean a lot ).
      He did call resteal 17% overall ( but few sample ).

      So yeah, of course he can call with worse hand. And If I m restealing 12 bb, it is because we are enough deep for that. My standard is 11bb resteal ( even IP I 3bet that big because there is enough bad regular to call 3bet oop not to mention the fishs ).

      And I 3bet ip AK / fold vs 4bet UTG because vilain are not 4bet / folding a lot as a bluff UTG. And If I want a perfect 3bet / 5bet range vs UTG , I need to 3bet KK+ for value only and something around 50/60% as bluff. Total won't be biger than 3% ( and everybody is nit against 3% ).

      I m winning in 3beting AK AQo AJo vs UTG / MP for value / semi bluff. And I m not sure I m giving up a lot of value when I face a 4bet.
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      I would not 3b qq and ak in btn vs utg if he is so tight. But here his 3b is so low that i think its safe to assume that his higher 4b% is a result of low sample size and i would assume that his 4b is smaller than his 3b
    • dobermann123
      dobermann123
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      Joined: 08.01.2008 Posts: 730
      Yes, I totally agree