Common pre flop spot

    • pleno1
      pleno1
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      Joined: 19.11.2010 Posts: 5,596
      Ok, fish limps, reg iso's, how should our

      - 3bet bluff
      - 3bet value
      - flatting

      Ranges look like

      - In position
      - Out of position

      $2.50/$5 No Limit Holdem
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      6 Players
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      Stacks:
      UTG iznak ($175.77) 35bb
      UTG+1 lafumeta13 ($491.21) 98bb
      CO Claudjuh79 ($606.49) 121bb
      BTN ExB1983 ($1,003.37) 201bb
      SB pleno1 ($575.56) 115bb
      BB PrsLee ($1,559.24) 312bb

      Pre-Flop: ($7.50, 6 players) pleno1 is SB X X
      1 fold, lafumeta13 calls $5, 1 fold, ExB1983 raises to $20, pleno1 ??
  • 8 replies
    • yegon
      yegon
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      without reads that would make me widen my ranges to exploit I would go with these

      IP (25%):


      OOP (17%):


      red - value3b/stackoff range
      yellow - calling range
      green - bluff3b range
    • NightFrostaSS
      NightFrostaSS
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      Joined: 25.10.2008 Posts: 5,255
      If we are IP do we assume that reg is on the CO and we are on the BTN? If so then

      3bet value TT+ AK

      Call - 22-99, T9s, All suited broadways, Axs, ATo-AQo, QJo+

      3bet bluff - JTo, QTo, KTo, J8s, J9s, Q9s, Q8s, K9s, K8s, 76s-98s


      OOP are we assumed to be in SB? Think the flatting range could be wider if we were BB but in SB I'd guess it would be something like:

      3bet val - TT+ AK, AQs

      Call - 55-99, suited broadways, AQo, KQo, ATs, AJs

      3bet bluff - 98s - T9s, AJo, ATo, KJo, 22-44, A2s-A5s

      Not really exact ranges on how I'd play as for example 3b bluffing range or some 3bet val hands could go into flatting range too if blinds seemed aggro as otherwise flatting range is left very weak vs squeezes etc. But overall think it's somewhat around what I'd play assuming no more reads on players.
    • IronPumper
      IronPumper
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      Idk bout all this waht has be written down so far.

      Thing is it depends a lot on how wide the reg isoraises (there are positonal-realted stats for this) and on how big the fish is.

      The bigger the fish is, the more I would go for an exploitive approach (unless reg is supergood) like calling often TT+, AKs, AQs, suited Broadways, T9s+, A9s+

      I woul then 3bet dfor value only in some % TT+ (when reg isoraies from the BTN) and then only AQo+

      My bluff3brange would be all next best hands i do not flat:
      so smaller SCs than T9s, A8s-, mb some <KTs-hands (though mb you can call K9s - dunno how good this is) and stuff lik Q7s, Q8s and mb best SOGs like T8s, 97s...

      edit:
      and yeah, we also call small/middle PPs..

      edit 2:
      this was for being OOP when the BTN isoraises.
      When Im IP OTB (preferably), trhen Id also flat those beter offsuited Broadways, QJo+, mb KTo+, ATo+

      Just not sure if you will show longterm a profit with them, when you flat them OOP.
    • Varune
      Varune
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      Joined: 24.04.2009 Posts: 5,068
      Interesting topic.

      As said above it also matters how out of line the reg goes with his isolating. As some regs do it 50+%, which to me looks too much. And others just use their basic RFI range. And the third group raises even a bit tighter.

      I have the handy stat "Raise when limped pot" in my hud for these spots. Quite easy to spot the guys that are out of line this way imo.
    • mko101
      mko101
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      Joined: 14.01.2009 Posts: 2,160
      Recently I started experimenting calling a ton in position, hands like Q9s, 45s+, any Axs etc. and 3-bet bluff those that have some playability post (in case the fish flats) but are too weak to flat, like A5o, QTo (don't like flatting offsuit hands), J9o and such.
    • BC1989RF
      BC1989RF
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      Joined: 09.04.2010 Posts: 845
      OOP
      - if limper not folding to 3bet
      3betting only for value: KJo+, ATo+, 99+, a9s
      not bluffing ever
      flatting sth like


      IP
      3betting more polarized sth like AQ+, TT+.
      3bet bluff: suited shit like T3s, J5s etc.
      then flat wider:


      postflop strat is to lead a lot if bink sth unless really good cbet board even 3way for the reg.
    • pleno1
      pleno1
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      wow, those ranges are really suprising BC.

      I think that flatting A9o is probably too wide IP.

      Also very sceptical we can defend J8s oop.

      Make me a believer...!
    • IronPumper
      IronPumper
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      Originally posted by pleno1
      wow, those ranges are really suprising BC.

      I think that flatting A9o is probably too wide IP.

      Also very sceptical we can defend J8s oop.

      Make me a believer...!
      yeahm
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      unless fish is like an uberfish w VPIP of 70%+,
      I think few guys here have been taken this a little too far, imo and lots of hands there will not show an profit longterm when you have them in your coldcallrange...