[NL2-NL10] nl10sh QQ ip 3bet pot,3way all in flop

    • EnterG
      Joined: 26.01.2010 Posts: 632
      Boss, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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      SB: $7.17 (71.7 bb)
      BB: $14.25 (142.5 bb)
      UTG: $5.02 (50.2 bb)
      MP: $74 (740 bb)
      Hero (CO): $17.11 (171.1 bb)
      BTN: $10.69 (106.9 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with Q Q
      UTG folds, MP raises to $0.50, Hero raises to $1.36, BTN folds, SB calls $1.31, BB folds, MP calls $0.86

      Flop: ($4.18) 2 9 J (3 players)
      SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $2.70, SB raises to $5.81 and is all-in, MP raises to $8.92, Hero raises to $15.75 and is all-in, MP calls $6.83

      Turn: ($41.49) 8 (3 players, 2 are all-in)
      River: ($41.49) 9 (3 players, 2 are all-in)

      $41.49 pot ($2.07 rake)
      Final Board: 2 9 J 8 9
      SB showed 9 Q and lost (-$7.17 net)
      MP showed J 9 and won $39.42 ($22.31 net)
      Hero showed Q Q and lost (-$17.11 net)

      I am against a passive and a maniac flip-coin player .
      SB stats : vpip 30/pfr 20/fold to 3bet pre 30/af 1.6/wts 34/w$sd 47/hands 700
      MP stats : vpip 69/pfr 44/3bet pre 19/fold to 3bet pre 25/af 3.2/wts 32/w$sd 76/hands 140.
      Maybe i should 3bet bigger pre but the result would be the same.Sb was tilted and i knew i was ahead.The mp move looked like he tried to make me fold and play against the SB.I put him on Jx thats why i shoved.He would do the same with SD or FD for sure.
      Is my move correct there ?

      Thanks !
  • 2 replies
    • Apurvam
      Joined: 09.03.2013 Posts: 14
      First of all, you definitely should had 3-bet bigger. His F3B is low (25%), why didn't you 3-bet him for value?? :f_confused:

      The MP move looked like he tried to make me fold and play against the SB.

      Why you think so?

      MP has AF 3 which is more on the high side. He is LAG. And they usually don't bluff when they check-raise. When they hit, in my experience, they play tricky or make slowplay instead of usual aggression.

      I would fold on the flop.
    • mbml
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,698

      Preflop: A smaller size makes more sense (<2.5X) vs a reg and if he has 100bb since he opened 5bb. HOWEVER, you are 175bb deep, and he's a fish. I think 1.60 or perhaps even larger, would probably maximise more value for yourself (and also decrease the likelihood of others coming along).

      Flop: I would usually fold here if SB were solid, cos he has many 99 JJ in his range, sometimes even KK/AA. But since you said he's tilted, that may change things a little. But when the passive fish overshoves when 2 players have already shown so much strength, I think we are in bad shape and we can fold here. Maybe for 100bb we can stack off but not when we are deep.