HM2 statistics description

    • adasko99
      adasko99
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      Hello

      Yesterday I was trying to find "Flop Check-Raise CB" for Single Rsd Pot & 3Bet Pot stats- but got a bit confused.

      Found four of them available:

      #1 Flop Check-Raise OOP
      #2 Flop Check-Raise CB OOP
      #3 Flop Check-Raise - Single Rsd Pot
      #4 Flop Check-Raise - 3Bet Pot OOP

      Now, is #3 and #4 related to Check-Raising CB? or Check-Raising any Bet in general? (like donk bet)

      Or is #2 only related to Check-Raising CBets? If yes, how to split it into two statistics - for Sinlge Rsd Pots & 3Bet Pots?
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    • netsrak
      netsrak
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      yes, #2 is only for check raising Cbets.

      Check raise stats splitted into single raised and 3bet for continuation bets are not available.
    • adasko99
      adasko99
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      ok thanks :)

      ps:

      What does 'Turn Bet vs Missed CB in Raised Pot OOP' mean?
      Is this like a "delayed donk bet" in a situation when: I raise, he calls > I check, he checks > I check, he bets ?
      If so, I'm confused about the OOP bit - who soupposed to be OOP in this statistic? Me or villian?
    • netsrak
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      OOP is your position. Vill. misses his Cbet on the Flop and you donk the turn. The pot was raised preflop
    • adasko99
      adasko99
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      Right, so in a situation where this statistc would be displayed next to Villain's nickname - he would be OOP , I would have missed my CB - and he would donk the Turn right? (sorry, somehow I totally confused myself)

      So what's the difference between this one and 'Turn Donk Bet' stat?
    • netsrak
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      Yes thats correct.

      The Turn donk bet stat doesn't take into account any position or cbetting. Its always counted if someone bets the flop and Vill. leads on the turn.
    • Dublimax
      Dublimax
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      I am looking for Fold CBet to x/r ( in BU fold to my BB's x/r)
      So far I was using Flop Bet - Fold to c/r IP but it will count when I x/r as PFR
      Would Flop CBet - fold Ip single raised pot be better.

      Where can we find the description of all the stats?
    • adasko99
      adasko99
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      nestrak - thanks for your help.

      Dublimax - maybe 'Flop Fold to Check-raise Raised Pot' would be ok?

      some descriptions are here:
      http://hm2faq.holdemmanager.com/questions/2111/HUD+Popups+Stat+Descriptions

      but many are missing :f_ugly:
    • netsrak
      netsrak
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      Unfortunately we are still working on a complete description of the stats, i don't have any ETA for this project.

      Some stats are explained in the reports section of HM: click on the stats button at the top left corner to open the stats select window. Here you have a short description for every stat available in the reports.
    • adasko99
      adasko99
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      oh yeah, that's cool , thanks :) (this small stats button is on almost every tab apart from Graph I think bytheway :f_thumbsup: )

      I've got another question if you don't mind :)

      I know there are couple of ways to build hand ranges but not too sure what they are called.
      I mean top 10% is going to show different hands when using PokerStrove , different hands when using FlopZilla and I think different hands when using SnGWizard.
      So which type of range is shown by 4B Range statistic?
      Is it better to use 4B or 4B Range?
      And why for some positions only one of them two is available?
    • netsrak
      netsrak
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      4b range just shows % of times you 4bet, its not based on hole cards. you can then put that number into any software like pokerstove or flopzilla to help you visualize what that % means. Its up to players to decide what software to use. Try them and see whichone is most accurate for your opponent types.
      4bet range = PFR% (in unraised pots) * raise 3bet %(4bet)

      I can't say why both are not available for all positions.
    • adasko99
      adasko99
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      4b range just shows % of times you 4bet


      Right, so is 4Bet or 4Bet Range any different?
      If yes - what is the difference? in theory and practical use
    • netsrak
      netsrak
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      4bet shows you the percentage a player 4bets your 3bets and the 4bet range gives you the percentage for the card range.
      For the use you should ask in the strategy part of the forum, this is only the technical support :)
    • Dublimax
      Dublimax
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      Originally posted by adasko99
      4b range just shows % of times you 4bet


      Right, so is 4Bet or 4Bet Range any different?
      If yes - what is the difference? in theory and practical use
      netsrak gave you the theory behind those stats. I'll do the practical example.

      #1 UTG opens 12%, you 3B from BU
      UTG 4B%=10%
      UTG 4B range= 1.2% sop basically QQ+

      #2 CO opens 30%, you 3B from BU
      CO 4B%=10%
      CO 4B range= 3% so basically QQ+, AK and some bluffs.

      You can see how with the same 4B% the 4B range varies depending on villain's PFR.

      Hope that helps
    • adasko99
      adasko99
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      So in other words:

      Villain's 4B% shows his 4Bets vs JUST MY OWN 3Bets THAT I DID AGAINS HIM

      and

      Villain's 4BRange shows his 4Betting tendencies (pretty much a Range hyhy) IN ANY GIVEN SPOT AGAINS ANY GIVEN OPPONENT

      Am I correct? :f_biggrin:

      ps:
      I really apreciate you guys helping me, thanx :f_grin:
    • netsrak
      netsrak
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      sorry for the confusion, both stats are for all 3bet / 4bet situations no matter if hero is involved or not.
      If player raises and gets 3bet (by anyone), then 4bet will count opportunity, and he can either 4bet or not, same for 4bet range
    • adasko99
      adasko99
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      makes sense now :) thanks :f_biggrin:
    • FatSunny
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      What stat is for donk bet on flop?

      And is it worth using?
    • netsrak
      netsrak
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      The stat is called Donk Bet -> Donk Bet Flop :)
    • FatSunny
      FatSunny
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      Thanks again must be blind
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