[NL20-NL50] NL25 SH Zoom JTo

    • adasko99
      adasko99
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      Joined: 13.02.2011 Posts: 1,902
      What to do on a Flop with TP+OESD when I'm most definitely up against Two Pairs or a Set? :f_ugly:

      Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      BTN: $11.96 (47.8 bb)
      SB: $25.10 (100.4 bb)
      BB: $38.96 (155.8 bb)
      UTG: $13.90 (55.6 bb)
      Hero (MP): $31.56 (126.2 bb)
      CO: $29.54 (118.2 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP with J T
      UTG raises to $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, 2 folds, SB calls $0.40, BB folds

      Flop: ($1.75) J 8 9 (3 players)
      SB bets $1.75, UTG calls $1.75, Hero raises to $5, SB raises to $19.75, UTG folds, Hero raises to $31.06 and is all-in, SB calls $4.85 and is all-in

      Turn: ($52.70) 9 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
      River: ($52.70) 7 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

      Results:
      $52.70 pot ($2.00 rake)
      Final Board: J 8 9 9 7
      SB showed 8 8 and won $50.70 ($25.60 net)
      UTG mucked and lost (-$2.25 net)
      Hero mucked J T and won $0.00 (-$25.10 net)
  • 8 replies
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      Joined: 02.01.2010 Posts: 13,897
      Hey,

      You should most definitely fold preflop.

      As played, flatting flop is better than raising imo. You have OK equity, no real implied odds but no folding equity either so you play raw equity IP which is fine given how weak your hand is preflop given the spot.
    • adasko99
      adasko99
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      Joined: 13.02.2011 Posts: 1,902
      fold? for that price? in potentially multiway pot where JTo plays ok for that price? why? :f_biggrin: :f_cool:
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      Originally posted by adasko99
      fold? for that price? in potentially multiway pot where JTo plays ok for that price? why? :f_biggrin: :f_cool:
      JTo without even being guaranteed position, can get squeezed from behind and playing against UTG range that will have all better Jx and Tx in his range plus all big pairs, etc. Calling is definitely -EV even for a minraise. You can consider 3betting but I think JTo is way too bad here even for that.
    • adasko99
      adasko99
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      I see. What to do if that would have been JTs?
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      With JTs I would be more inclined to 3bet to isolate if people behind are good. If you have fish behind you can call and play multiway. Suited hands play way better multiway. JTs is miles ahead of JTo.
    • adasko99
      adasko99
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      Joined: 13.02.2011 Posts: 1,902
      I see.
      But if people behind are good and I should isolate by 3Betting - would that not be turning my hand into a bluff?
      And potentially taking away the opportunity to see the flop with a hand that flops well?
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      Joined: 02.01.2010 Posts: 13,897
      You have to weigh options:

      Play HU against a weak opponent IP with initiative
      vs
      Play multiway OOP without initivatie

      The first gives you more options to win the pot and the pot size is still about the same as multiway. When you 3bet against a minraise you will leave more behind to play for and you get more calls meaning although he calls with good equity hands, you have a favourable situation being IP with initiative with a hand that flops very good equity.
    • adasko99
      adasko99
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      Joined: 13.02.2011 Posts: 1,902
      I get it, thanks again :)