[NL20-NL50] NL50 6max, JJ - ABC

    • Anger86
      Anger86
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.08.2008 Posts: 511
      $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players

      MP: $96.33 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 16, 3B: 18, AF: 0.8, Hands: 80
      CO: $53.21 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 8, 3B: 0, AF: 2.0, Hands: 97
      BTN: $130.05 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 23, 3B: 0, AF: 1.5, Hands: 22
      Hero (SB): $50.00 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 20, 3B: 8, AF: 4.6, Hands: 167476
      BB: $32.50 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 17, 3B: 8, AF: 3.0, Hands: 592
      UTG: $46.34 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 21, 3B: 17, AF: 2.3, Hands: 90

      Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with J :club: J :spade:
      3 folds, BTN raises to $1.25, Hero calls $1, 1 fold

      Flop: ($3.00) J :diamond: 4 :club: 3 :club: (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $2.14, Hero raises to $6.50, BTN calls $4.36

      Turn: ($16.00) 2 :heart: (2 players)
      Hero bets $9.50, BTN raises to $20, Hero raises to $42.25, BTN calls $22.25

      River: ($100.50) T :diamond: (2 players)

      preflop: Not much metagame, so I just cold call. On a very loose aggro image I'd 3/5bet.

      Flop: We have 100 bb stacks. So, x/r works good enough.
      Sometimes I x/r bluff here and keep my size this small - 3x smthg.

      If we were 150 bb deep I'd better like bet/3bet line to get the stacks in by the river.

      Turn: His range here could be slowplayed sets, slowplayed overpairs, 65s, 65o, Ad5d


      Board: J:diamond: 4:club: 3:club:  2:heart:
             Equity     Win     Tie
      MP2    35.81%  35.81%   0.00% { QQ+, 44-33, 65s, Ac5c, 65o }
      MP3    64.19%  64.19%   0.00% { JsJc }


      Say 50/50 that QQ+ slowplay (that will be 3 combps of each):

      Board: J:diamond: 4:club: 3:club:  2:heart:
             Equity     Win     Tie
      MP2    43.75%  43.75%   0.00% { 44-33, AdAh, AdAs, AdAc, KdKh, KdKs, KdKc, QdQh, QdQs, QdQc, 65s, Ac5c, 65o }
      MP3    56.25%  56.25%   0.00% { JsJc }


      Seems to be fine.
      Thanks!

      Mental side of poker: This is for me mostly. But you are welcome to give your opinion.
      Problem
      After seeing him having there 65o I tilted a bit, but decided to mark a hand
      and review it later and post it here.

      Why does it make logical sense that you would react, think, or feel that way?
      It's logical because I can see that I'm getting outplayed in a way.
      He made a perfect play IMO and I can't do much there.
      Why is that logic flawed?
      a. Because I can't control cards.
      b. I can't control my OP's playing style.
      c. Making the best decision is all I can do. The rest is variance.
      What is the correct way to handle the situation?
      Correct way is to keep playing my strategy. Mark the hand.
      Post it on forum later and learn the spot. Also, make a note if it's
      something I wouldn't expect. But I expected this to be one of the hands.
      Why is that correction correct?
      Because it makes sense to do things I can control and not worry about single outcome. I can control - reviews, my strategy, hand posting,
      hand marking, deep breathing, etc.
      I can't control outcome or the way OP plays.


      Tendler, Jared; Carter, Barry (2011-10-02). The Mental Game of Poker: Proven Strategies For Improving Tilt Control, Confidence, Motivation, Coping with Variance, and More (p. 62). Jared Tendler, LLC. Kindle Edition.
  • 4 replies
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,697
      Hi.

      Preflop: 3b should be your default play given positions.
      Flop: i dont like checkraising this dry flop with top set. I prefer checkcall checkraise. Its way less likely that he has top pair when we have 2 Js ourselves.

      Turn: we cant fold for sure with top set. We dominate overpairs and lower sets whilr losing to straights.

      Thanks.

      Ps: i dont like leading this flop ever. It just doesnt make sense to have a leading range here, and top set is the worse hand to do it with. When our opponents range is likely to be weaker we should induce, not bet out.
    • Anger86
      Anger86
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.08.2008 Posts: 511
      Originally posted by mbml
      Preflop: 3b should be your default play given positions.
      Do you think this?
      a) 3bet/5bet for value QQ+, AKs, AKo. Also 3bet for value, but fold to 4bet
      TT-JJ, AQ-AJ, KQ?

      b) 3bet/5bet for value (maybe even TT +) JJ+, AKs, AKo. Also 3bet for value, but fold to 4bet -> AQ-AJ, KQ?

      EDIT:
      I was 3/5betting it, but then stopped doing it. Both - BB vs BU, SB vs BU.
      Not sure if it works in a longterm, but I might be looking too much into
      small sample. (Or using wrong OP's for that.)
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,697
      I think jj should be a default 5bet.

      Tt and AQ are dependent on the opponent's 4bet tendencies. If villain doesnt 4bet much then folding those makes more sense.

      Thanks.
    • Anger86
      Anger86
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.08.2008 Posts: 511
      Originally posted by mbml
      Flop: i dont like checkraising this dry flop with top set. I prefer checkcall checkraise. Its way less likely that he has top pair when we have 2 Js ourselves.
      Do you think, when we x/c and then x/r we can actually trick players
      to pay off with more marginal hands than a simple x/r?

      My overall image is LAG preflop, maniac post-flop.
      That is why I'm just using brutal force and not
      tricky play. Usually most people don't believe me.
      I find my x/r bluffs called pretty light on the flop.
      Although a big part of calls comes from TP stuff.
      And here you are right.

      My x/r range on flop is situation dependent.

      With FD's, SD's and backdoors I find it more proffitable to donkbet than x/r anyway, so I don't have to balance here at all.