[NL20-NL50] NL50 6max, KK too small 3bet?

    • Anger86
      Anger86
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.08.2008 Posts: 511
      $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players

      Hero (BB): $53.28 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 20, 3B: 8, AF: 4.6, Hands: 167722
      UTG: $48.04 - VPIP: 38, PFR: 13, 3B: 4, AF: 5.4, Hands: 122
      MP: $55.18 - VPIP: 29, PFR: 17, 3B: 3, AF: 0.8, Hands: 82
      CO: $62.80 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 11, 3B: 6, AF: 1.5, Hands: 35
      BTN: $56.51 - VPIP: 14, PFR: 14, 3B: 8, AF: 2.0, Hands: 35
      SB: $55.75 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 21, 3B: 15, AF: 1.6, Hands: 120

      Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with K :heart: K :diamond:
      3 folds, BTN raises to $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3.50, BTN calls $2.50

      Flop: ($7.25) 8 :diamond: 6 :spade: 7 :diamond: (2 players)
      Hero bets $5.00, BTN raises to $13.50, Hero raises to $49.78, BTN calls $36.28

      Turn: ($106.81) 4 :spade: (2 players)

      River: ($106.81) Q :heart: (2 players)

      Preflop:
      When OP's open 50% + from BU and make it 2 bbs, I'm 3betting smaller.
      If it's $1 then I make it around $ 3.5- $ 4. Thus making the
      SPR = ~ 6.5

      Normally I like to 3bet to around $ 5 (1/10 or 10%) making the SPR= 4.5

      I guess it's not all that bad for AQ+, QQ+, but I'm still doing bad vs set mining, giving 20:1 odds for Villain to call.

      Problem is that I have to 3bet the same size with my value hands and my bluffs. Don't I? (Even bad OP's will notice that.)

      I guess, when I'm OOP, I still need to make it bigger and make a disadvantage for my opponents. In position however I can maneuver postflop and even induce small PP to call preflop to fold those out postflop.
      F.e. BU vs CO 3bet smaller and 2barrel.

      Flop: In game I thought I'm about 50/50 or slightly losing, but the pot is big enough to play for stacks. Calling would be the worst play IMO. Folding is also an option, but I call is more + EV with a big pot.


      Board: 8:diamond: 7:diamond: 6:spade:
             Equity     Win     Tie
      MP2    52.76%  51.31%   1.45% { JJ-66, T9s, 98s, 86s+, 76s, AdQd, AdJd, AdTd, Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad7d, Ad6d, Ad5d, Ad4d, Ad3d, Ad2d }
      MP3    47.24%  45.79%   1.45% { KdKh }


      In worst case:
      Removing nut flush and overpairs.

      Board: 8:diamond: 7:diamond: 6:spade:
             Equity     Win     Tie
      MP2    68.16%  66.58%   1.58% { 99-66, T9s, 98s, 86s, 87s, 76s }
      MP3    31.84%  30.26%   1.58% { KdKh }
  • 1 reply
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      Hi.

      It can never be too huge of a mistake to go allin on the flop with an overpair in a 3b pot. Over here the board is really ugly but its not as bad as a JT9 Flop.

      Our profit by shoving here comes mainly from
      -the dead money in the pot
      -the fold equity we generate when he bluff raises flop and folds to our push.

      I would like to point out that over a small sample he seems nitty. I think u gave him way too many speculative hands. So his actual range should be closer to the one shown in the first calculation and not the second.

      Thanks