# Making a counter semi bluff in blind battle

• Bronze
Joined: 15.10.2011
Preflop: Hero is SB with 7, J.
4 folds, Hero raises, BB calls.

Flop: (4 SB) 2, A, A (2 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, Hero ?

Lets say both are normal players & villian can have a pair or A or just took a agressive line on flop by making a flop bluff raise IP on a board which can make us fold on later street against his aggresion

Do u think we have a good spot on turn to make a counter semi bluff to make villian fold?

Now putting yourself on villian shoes

1. Will you go for a flop bluff raise IP with week SD value ? say in % how many times u will raise on such board against blind stealing
2. With A in hand will you wait for turn raise ?
3. What u will do against turn c/r raise with

a. small to mid pairs
b. KQ,KT
c. week SD value
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• Bronze
Joined: 15.06.2009
Here is one argument against a bluff: You are getting 5:1 to call + perhaps 1 bet more on average -> 6:1. Thus a mere call on the turn is by quite some margin better than folding. By bluffing you reduce your odds quite a lot (to something like 5:2 or 2:1 if you plan to barrel the river). You must have pretty big fold equity for a bluff to be better than calling.

/Johan =
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Joined: 03.03.2008
Originally posted by YohanN7
Here is one argument against a bluff: You are getting 5:1 to call + perhaps 1 bet more on average -> 6:1. Thus a mere call on the turn is by quite some margin better than folding. By bluffing you reduce your odds quite a lot (to something like 5:2 or 2:1 if you plan to barrel the river). You must have pretty big fold equity for a bluff to be better than calling.
wouldn't this same logic apply to any semibluff situation? raising always offers worse odds than calling.
• Bronze
Joined: 15.06.2009
Originally posted by redskwerl
Originally posted by YohanN7
Here is one argument against a bluff: You are getting 5:1 to call + perhaps 1 bet more on average -> 6:1. Thus a mere call on the turn is by quite some margin better than folding. By bluffing you reduce your odds quite a lot (to something like 5:2 or 2:1 if you plan to barrel the river). You must have pretty big fold equity for a bluff to be better than calling.
wouldn't this same logic apply to any semibluff situation? raising always offers worse odds than calling.
Yes, you are right. The odds aren't the relevant thing really. One should count the EV in bets.

I like semibluffing more when a call would be marginal, or even bad because the bluff part (folding equity) goes way up in value. What I mean is that a 0-EV or slightly -EV play (calling) may often be turned into +EV by raising. Here calling is already very +EV. I'm not sure we can get even better EV by raising in this spot. It would depend on the opponent.

But there are arguments for raising too, sure. Our SD value is pretty bad, so a fold from the opponent would be very tasty.

/Johan =
• Bronze
Joined: 22.09.2010
If you are going to peel this flop x/r you have to bluff the turn, doing otherwise makes no sense because you don't have the odds just to peel for your outs and this is going to be one of the weakest hands in your range making it absolutely perfect/mandatory to semi-bluff

If you had a hand like K or Q-High then calling the turn is fine becasue you have Sd value and to raise all your FD's would be both predictable and overbluffy
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• Bronze
Joined: 22.09.2010
Originally posted by sim5sim5
a) Call down
b) I wouldn't raise this on the flop so moot point
c) I'm assuming you mean a 2 here. Assuming I raise some 2's they would probably be the bottom of my value range and thus a bet/fold on the turn (i.e. the worst 2s in my range)
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