[NL20-NL50] KQo TPGK flop raised

    • Gonchan
      Gonchan
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      Joined: 14.06.2011 Posts: 2,867
      Prima, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      BTN: $114.88 (229.8 bb)
      SB: $57.18 (114.4 bb)
      BB: $51.64 (103.3 bb)
      UTG: $48.44 (96.9 bb)
      Hero (MP): $66.74 (133.5 bb)
      CO: $111.36 (222.7 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP with K Q
      UTG folds, Hero raises to $1.50, CO folds, BTN calls $1.50, SB folds, BB calls $1

      Flop: ($4.75) 9 K 7 (3 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $3.50, BTN folds, BB raises to $8.50, Hero calls $5

      Turn: ($21.75) 9 (2 players)
      BB bets $11.50, Hero calls $11.50

      River: ($44.75) 6 (2 players)
      BB bets $30.14 and is all-in, Hero calls $30.14

      Results:
      $105.03 pot ($3 rake)
      Final Board: 9 K 7 9 6
      BB showed 9 9 and won $102.03 ($50.39 net)
      Hero showed K Q and lost (-$51.64 net)


      23/18/594 raise cb 14

      I thought his preflop range almost all of connecter so I called.

      However, 99, 77 was possible so flop fold,right?
  • 9 replies
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      Joined: 02.01.2010 Posts: 13,897
      Hey,

      you were 3way to the flop, he won't be to tempted to run big bluffs there imo. 99.99999% it's a flop fold. Your equity sucks, his draws should be pretty damn good against you and his nutted hands have you completely crushed. 14% raise cbet is not that big and it's probably most of it in HU pots on better textures for himself. If we assume flop can be a call, on the river everything got there so it's definitely a fold. Flushdraws which are the biggest bluff he could have got there, so did T8s and he still has all other better hands like 79s, 99, 77.
    • Gonchan
      Gonchan
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      yep, when I hand review japanese community, I would say it is fold flop.

      However, flock of monster hand (1 session 4 times) made me completely tilt..
    • Gonchan
      Gonchan
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      1 more question.

      on multiway, fd and oesd would c/r this flop?
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      Those draws would not always raise but those are hands that make sense to bluff with and they got there. If those aren't his bluffs, what else could he bluff with? Do you see QJo c/r raise here? Basically, what do you believe to be his bluff range?
    • GingerKid
      GingerKid
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      Joined: 05.08.2007 Posts: 5,530
      Originally posted by Gonchan
      1 more question.

      on multiway, fd and oesd would c/r this flop?
      I would say that people mostly raise draws heads up, but multiway, they mostly lead as semi bluff, or just call. Because it is too risky to check raise, firslty it is expensive, and secondly if opponent has 2 pairs + he goes all in and you have to fold invested money and your nice equity. So at least I don't see people raising multiway with draws, and you on this board when somebody raises you 3way, the best you can hope is that he is maniac, or that he has AK where you still have a chance to improve.
    • Gonchan
      Gonchan
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      hmm, I thought c/r with draw is better at multiway..
      If it was heads up, draw raise is more often?
    • EmanuelC16
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      Multiway, your non-nut draw gets weaker so you gain by making others fold their weak hands/draws while ifyou draw to the nuts you want others to get better odds to draw to the second nuts and get 'coolered'.
    • Gonchan
      Gonchan
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      So, nuts draw would call and c/r/f weak mid draw so my 3bet made no sense?
      and prefereable play is fold his bet?
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      Originally posted by Gonchan
      So, nuts draw would call and c/r/f weak mid draw so my 3bet made no sense?
      and prefereable play is fold his bet?
      I didn't say he would just call, I said nut draws are probably better off calling to keep all those weaker draws in when in a multiway pot. In a HU pot they can be good enough to stack off actually. Folding is simply because you have little to no playability and your equity is quite low against his whole range.