[NL20-NL50] NL50 SH - KQ: TPGK flop

    • Lunitis
      Lunitis
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      Joined: 22.02.2009 Posts: 20,132
      20/18
      4.5 af
      44% steal SB
      82% cbet flop
      43% fold cbet vs raise
      11k hands

      Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players
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      Hero (BB): $63.50 (127 bb)
      CO: $21.10 (42.2 bb)
      BTN: $17.17 (34.3 bb)
      SB: $29.50 (59 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with K Q
      2 folds, SB raises to $1.25, Hero calls $0.75

      Flop: ($2.50) 8 9 Q (2 players)
      SB bets $1.25, Hero raises to $3.25


      Its a raise fold for value good here?
  • 5 replies
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.01.2010 Posts: 13,897
      Hey,

      I think it is a bit marginal. On a board like Q72ds it would be a lot easier to raise for value. Here, there are more 2pairs and there's also a possible straight. The wider your opponent's value range can be, the more marginal this sort of raise is. BvB it's probably still +EV but might not be maxEV on this board.
    • double2
      double2
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      Joined: 04.11.2008 Posts: 14,642
      And if you do raise it's not a raise/fold imo. If you're plan is to raise/fold then just call, don't raise. Agree Manu?
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      Joined: 02.01.2010 Posts: 13,897
      Originally posted by double2
      And if you do raise it's not a raise/fold imo. If you're plan is to raise/fold then just call, don't raise. Agree Manu?
      Yes, raise/folding this hand strength sucks. That's why I think we need to be very picky with the boards we raise BvB so that our opponent doesn't have too many value hands to play back against us. Apart from that, on this board we probably induce fewer bluffs with raising than on very dry boards where we are perceived to represent just about nothing.
    • Lunitis
      Lunitis
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      Joined: 22.02.2009 Posts: 20,132
      I thought that raising i should get it in, but then i played around with equilab and my equity suck against his 3bet range (considering he wont come with bluffs), maybe 35% equity.
      I the said raise/fold because i see them play all day bet/call with every tp and pairs with gut shots and stuff like that..
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      Joined: 02.01.2010 Posts: 13,897
      You have to think how many TP he could actually have and what gutshots since more have gutter + pair and therefore quite good equity against you. Like I mentioned before, your opponent's range can just have quite a few value hands so your raise becomes thinner. I would definitely like a raise on a less connected board, here it becomes a lot more marginal.