[NL20-NL50] NL50 6max, QQ 3bet - value bet/bet/bet

    • Anger86
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      $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players

      BB: $50.00 - VPIP: 36, PFR: 27, 3B: 5, AF: 2,3, Hands: 66
      CO: $50.00 - VPIP: 14, PFR: 13, 3B: 3, AF: 0,0, Hands: 64
      BTN: $60.86 - VPIP: 28, PFR: 22, 3B: 13, AF: 0,8, Hands: 32
      Hero (SB): $87.02 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 18, 3B: 7, AF: 4,7, Hands: 3492

      Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with Q :club: Q :diamond:
      1 fold, BTN raises to $1, Hero raises to $4.50, 1 fold, BTN calls $3.50

      Flop: ($9.50) J :club: 2 :heart: 4 :spade: (2 players)
      Hero bets $4.50, BTN calls $4.50

      Turn: ($18.50) A :diamond: (2 players)
      Hero bets $9.00, BTN calls $9

      River: ($36.50) 3 :diamond: (2 players)
      Hero bets $21.50, BTN calls $21.50

      Preflop: ok

      Flop: ok

      Turn: decent TAG's know that this is a often used scare card.
      That is a reason to bet for value.

      I hate to make though decisions and x/c would be a guesing game,
      so I decided to go for a thin value and bet bigger than 1/2,
      because 1/2 looks like value and that way I can get lighter call IMO.

      Was thinking about JAMing as well. Decided to make a bet which says -
      I'm commiting here. I'd bet fold I guess.
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    • EmanuelC16
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      Hey,

      Is villain a reg?

      Against regs, since they know you bet Ax scare card a lot you can definitely get value with QQ, including on the river but it's all a matter of your own perceived range here. This play can work but there's no guarantee without a bit of info on how your opponent might view you.

      Barreling QQ here with your Ax or better range will be fine, +EV, but it's impossible to measure the best EV without any extra info. I'd say it's overly ambitious if you call it unknown vs unknown reg on NL50.
    • Anger86
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      He's kind of a REG, but seemed to be tilting today.
      In general I'm not sure about him.
      Have a new database now :( so I don't have some hands,
      but screenname - reminds me something.

      What if we assume he's an unknown REG?
      Let's say Unknown preflop TAG better.

      Flop cbet = standard.
      Turn = either x/c or bet/fold?

      Vs bet/fold - easy to play, since I don't expect them to be bluffing much.
      Their [9] AJ combos, [6] AQ combos, [3] JJ combos might be the case.
      Total of 18 combos. That's about it.
      QJ, KJ, JTs = 6+12+3=21 combos will call.

      It's close to 50/50 and I don't have to lose value from
      weaker Jx while he bets alls Ax. Assuming he'd potcontrol Jx.

      River: IMO poeple don't fold their Jx hands here ever.
      Why so optimistic. Just because I used to 3bar bluff here and
      it never works. So, I'm doing everything opposite and hope it works.
      Also I'm kind of playing vs average NL50 stakes player that way
      and ignorig specific player for that time.
    • EmanuelC16
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      I 3barrel bluff here and it works reasonably often against someone tight postflop players. :)

      I think we can also probably exclude AQ from his range.. I don't think he floats flop with it so his value range that beats us is quite thin, we only have to decide if he calls often enough with worse. I expect you to be viewed too make him call Jx if you are both unknown but if he knows you that can be different.

      Best advice imo, for such close spots is to make a not of what happens and learn from it. I will never be able to give you a definitive answer with such limited information but you know the result of the hand. You can learn from it. If he folds, it's probably a bad value bet, if he calls, you see what he called with and can decide for the future what to do. :)
    • Anger86
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      Originally posted by EmanuelC16
      Best advice imo, for such close spots is to make a not of what happens and learn from it. I will never be able to give you a definitive answer with such limited information but you know the result of the hand. You can learn from it. If he folds, it's probably a bad value bet, if he calls, you see what he called with and can decide for the future what to do. :)
      After a showdown - 7c3c.
      So, either a hard tilt or just a station.

      So, after that. Would you 3barrell Jx on enxt hands, when you 3bet him?
      Say, If I had random KJ or JQ and decided to 3bet it (although it might be flatted).

      I think, I'd still 3barrell, but it sure would be high variance play.
    • EmanuelC16
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      Yeah, I would 3 barrel Jx against him because my Jx are usually QJ or better so if he calls second bottom pair, I think my Jx with 2nd kicker is also good enough to vbet. I can vbet all Jx in my range because they all have decent kickers, and would definitely vbet all QQ, KK and Ax.