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[NL20-NL50] AA 3 bet pot vs turn mini r nl 25 sh

    • dzikson999
      Joined: 17.08.2010 Posts: 532
      PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      BB: $13.10
      UTG: $26.27
      CO: $24.60
      BTN: $9.65
      Hero (SB): $59.59

      Hero posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

      Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has A:heart: A:diamond:

      fold, CO raises to $0.75, fold, Hero raises to $2.50, fold, CO calls $1.75

      Flop: ($5.25, 2 players) 5:club: 8:spade: 2:diamond:
      Hero bets $3.25, CO calls $3.25

      Turn: ($11.75, 2 players) 6:heart:
      Hero bets $5.00, CO raises to $10.00, Hero calls $5.00

      River: ($31.75, 2 players) 8:club:
      Hero checks, CO bets $8.85 and is all-in, Hero calls $8.85
      Villain was unknown only few hands looks regish.
      I staked him few hands earlier when i 4 beted Ako and he called ipo than called 2 streets with 10 10 on K73 ss board.
      Should i shove turn or just call ? ( I dont think fold is option correct me if i am wrong?!)
      I thought that call is better so if he bluffs to let him spew more and i think he can do it with 10 10 + and if he had set so be it .
  • 3 replies
    • mbml
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,779

      Fold to the turn min-raise. You got one of the worst Turn cards in the deck, and despite villain being short the min-raise from a passive fish is almost always 2pairs +.

      He has 79 86 56 43s so often, along with 22/55/88/66. We are crushed really hard by this range. If he jams then we could consider calling but this min-raise is much stronger in general.

    • dzikson999
      Joined: 17.08.2010 Posts: 532
      Villain showed Q8s so i guess i see his range something like this
      Board: 2d8s5c6h
      Equity Win Tie
      CO 39.69% 39.69% 0.00% { QQ-88, 66-55, 22, A8s, K8s, Q8s, J8s, 97s, 86s, 65s }
      BB 60.31% 60.31% 0.00% { AdAh }
      and i think i have to call
      And he was unknown so i dont know why you think his pasive ??
    • mbml
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,779
      I kept thinking this was a single-raised pot vs a mid-stacker. And my default assumption was that most midstackers were fish, and most fish are passive.

      Now this changes things. I still think this is a very gross spot IMO, I think even in 3b pots this is a set/two pair really often. From my own experience this is an easy call vs a jam, but vs a min-raise it gets ugly. I usually talk myself into jamming cos of SPR but I usually see the nuts (and I continue jamming anyway vs normal TAGs and still continue running into the nuts).

      Frankly I don't see any reason for him to be having any raising range here, especially with a bare Top pair hand. How often do people actually min-raise here with a non-nutted hand? My guess is that this is not happening all that much.

      I still think we can bet/fold here.