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[NL20-NL50] AQo 3b vs bu 4bet

    • GingerKid
      GingerKid
      Black
      Joined: 05.08.2007 Posts: 5,588
      iPoker - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      Hero (BB): 100 BB
      UTG: 105.7 BB (VPIP: 18.75, PFR: 16.25, 3Bet Preflop: 6.06, Hands: 82)
      CO: 54.82 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 53.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
      BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 25.33, PFR: 21.64, 3Bet Preflop: 7.19, Hands: 777)
      SB: 75.38 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q:heart: A:diamond:

      fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.5 BB, fold, Hero raises to 7 BB, BTN raises to 18 BB, Hero raises to 100 BB and is all-in, fold

      Hero shows Q:heart: A:diamond: ()
      Hero wins 36.5 BB


      he steals bu 58%, and 4bets 20% from BU.
      How to play vs people who are not calling 3bets even IP, but just 4bet/fold or 4bet/call?
      I adapt by calling 2bet AT, AJ, KQ, KJ and similar, and 3bet/shoving with 88+, AQ+. Also I 3bet/fold vs bu with suited hands, so that I show them that I am able to fold it. Is it ok?

      This is the range vs BU, and vs CO, I do it with TT+, AK.
      Vs mp and utg, just QQ+, AK, I call JJ if he 4bets a lot and fold to 3bet a lot.
  • 3 replies
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,779
      Hi.

      I noticed that you are always making such small 3bets OOP. I don't like it, you are just giving BU really good odds to call and outplay you postflop. I would make it 9BB here.

      As a general rule of thumb, if the 4bet size is <20bb and effective stack sizes is 100bb, I prefer having a min5bet range of around 30-35bb. You can still have some 5bet/folding ranges here. When you jam 100bb to win 18bb, that gives you a really poor risk/reward ratio.

      If you have a 5bet range instead, you can start 5bet bluffing more. And you could also potentially get some lighter 6bets with stuff like KQ/AJ or AXs.

      Thanks.
    • GingerKid
      GingerKid
      Black
      Joined: 05.08.2007 Posts: 5,588
      Originally posted by mbml
      Hi.

      I noticed that you are always making such small 3bets OOP. I don't like it, you are just giving BU really good odds to call and outplay you postflop. I would make it 9BB here.

      As a general rule of thumb, if the 4bet size is <20bb and effective stack sizes is 100bb, I prefer having a min5bet range of around 30-35bb. You can still have some 5bet/folding ranges here. When you jam 100bb to win 18bb, that gives you a really poor risk/reward ratio.

      If you have a 5bet range instead, you can start 5bet bluffing more. And you could also potentially get some lighter 6bets with stuff like KQ/AJ or AXs.

      Thanks.

      wow I didnt notice that my 3bet size is so small. when people open 1.25$
      somehow I see it as 1$ and 3bet 3.5$ which is ok if he opens 1$, but as you said I should 3bet larger, and then I get better prise to 5bet shove.
      Probably the 3bet size is the reason why people 4bet so often versus me from BU.
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,779
      2bb -> 7bb-8bb is fine
      2.5bb -> maybe 8.25-9bb

      I tend to 3bet larger, but it also depends on a few things
      -His fold to 3bet: If it's low, then you would want to use a more value-weighted range, and make a larger 3bet size
      -Your own range: I prefer making it larger if I am jamming a lot more vs 4bets. The more bluff heavy your range is the more you should want to use smaller sizes