[NL2-NL10] nl10 - flop

    • gAsheks
      gAsheks
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      Party Poker $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2163283
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      Hero (BB): $10.00 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 15, 3B: 4, AF: 2,3, Hands: 208369
      UTG: $10.00 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 18, 3B: 2, AF: 3,7, Hands: 159
      MP: $10.00 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 15, 3B: 0, AF: 2,9, Hands: 118
      CO: $15.72 - VPIP: 29, PFR: 22, 3B: 2, AF: 1,9, Hands: 1401
      BTN: $15.67 - VPIP: 37, PFR: 3, 3B: 9, AF: 5,3, Hands: 65
      SB: $12.74 - VPIP: 16, PFR: 16, 3B: 4, AF: 2,8, Hands: 134

      Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with J :heart: K :club:
      4 folds, SB raises to $0.20, Hero calls $0.10

      Flop: ($0.40) 5 :diamond: 7 :club: K :diamond: (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $0.30, SB raises to $1, Hero ??

      How should i react to this steal? Passively or aggressively?
      His ATS on SB is 33(12). Even with such a small sample he is stealing a lot.
      Whats our play on Flop?
      Dont see big Kings in his range cause of minsteal? Mostly i guess its flush draws?
  • 7 replies
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
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      Hi Gasheks,

      Preflop: looks fine but we can even 3-bet for thin value vs minraise.

      Postflop: It's an odd line to take as the PFR but usually we want to give credit to regs at these limits. I'd say at most call one street and fold to more aggression but even folding the flop would not be a huge leak versus a reg that doesn't seem too loose.
    • sausage646
      sausage646
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      Originally posted by BogdanPS
      I'd say at most call one street and fold to more aggression
      Defiantly disagree, since he will almost always follow trough on the turn if he is taking this weird check raise line.

      So if you think it is making a semi bluff/bluff than you will have to call at least 2 streets - but the best line here would be to just give him credit - fold, wait for more info and better spot.
    • mbml
      mbml
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      Originally posted by sausage646
      Originally posted by BogdanPS
      I'd say at most call one street and fold to more aggression
      Defiantly disagree, since he will almost always follow trough on the turn if he is taking this weird check raise line.

      So if you think it is making a semi bluff/bluff than you will have to call at least 2 streets - but the best line here would be to just give him credit - fold, wait for more info and better spot.
      I think I would have to agree with Bogdan here, for this is NL10. At higher limits I'm never folding Turn and probably calling many blank rivers too.
    • sausage646
      sausage646
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      Originally posted by mbml
      Originally posted by sausage646
      Originally posted by BogdanPS
      I'd say at most call one street and fold to more aggression
      Defiantly disagree, since he will almost always follow trough on the turn if he is taking this weird check raise line.

      So if you think it is making a semi bluff/bluff than you will have to call at least 2 streets - but the best line here would be to just give him credit - fold, wait for more info and better spot.
      I think I would have to agree with Bogdan here, for this is NL10. At higher limits I'm never folding Turn and probably calling many blank rivers too.
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      Well that's what I am saying: don't waste $0.70 calling his check raise if you will be folding almost every turn to his bet since he will bet almost every time.
      --->
      Originally posted by BogdanPS
      I'd say at most call one street and fold to more aggression.
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      Originally posted by sausage646 just give him credit - fold, wait for more info and better spot.
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      Originally posted by BogdanPS
      I'd say at most call one street and fold to more aggression.
      Or you agree with BogdanPS that we should call his check raise and fold to more aggression?
    • gAsheks
      gAsheks
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      Party Poker $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2165226
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      Hero (BB): $10.00 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 15, 3B: 4, AF: 2,3, Hands: 210906
      UTG: $10.00 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 18, 3B: 2, AF: 3,7, Hands: 159
      MP: $10.00 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 15, 3B: 0, AF: 2,9, Hands: 118
      CO: $15.72 - VPIP: 30, PFR: 22, 3B: 2, AF: 1,7, Hands: 1570
      BTN: $15.67 - VPIP: 37, PFR: 3, 3B: 9, AF: 5,3, Hands: 65
      SB: $12.74 - VPIP: 16, PFR: 16, 3B: 4, AF: 2,8, Hands: 134

      Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with J :heart: K :club:
      4 folds, SB raises to $0.20, Hero calls $0.10

      Flop: ($0.40) 5 :diamond: 7 :club: K :diamond: (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $0.30, SB raises to $1, Hero calls $0.70

      Turn: ($2.40) 4 :spade: (2 players)
      SB bets $1.80, Hero calls $1.80

      River: ($6.00) 7 :spade: (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks

      Results:
      Final Pot: $6.00 Hero shows J :heart: K :club:
      SB shows 6 :heart: 4 :heart:
      Hero wins $5.70


      So i missread his hand.
      In long term im loosing money with such play, right?
      Not sure about that river.
    • zaree
      zaree
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      i think he is stealing with anything suited there because 33% is big
    • mbml
      mbml
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      33% is far from anything suited. I would suggest opening pokerstrategy equilab and look at what a 66% range looks like.

      I think you need to play 70-75% of hands to cover all suited hands.

      And as for the results, i dont think u are losing a lot of money here on the turn call but my guess is that against the avg opponent at nl10, folding is probably slightly better than calling on the turn