[NL20-NL50] river bluff

    • daisuke3823
      daisuke3823
      Bronze
      Joined: 05.02.2008 Posts: 8,321
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      $0.1/$0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (4 handed)
      Known players:
      BB:
      $44.06
      CO (Hero):
      $25.00
      BU:
      $26.20
      SB:
      $25.54

      Preflop: Hero is CO with A, Q.
      Hero raises to $0.60, BU folds, SB calls $0.50, BB folds.

      Flop: ($1.45) 3, 7, 4 (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $0.90, SB calls $0.90.

      Turn: ($3.25) 7 (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks.

      River: ($3.25) T (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $2.50, SB calls $2.50.

      Final Pot: $8.25.

      78 hands vpip16 pfr13 wtsd33



      should I just give up after flop CB?
  • 7 replies
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      Hi

      Give up flop cos villain is tight (pf range weighted towards pocketpairs) and because u have no backdoors.

      Turn is bad cos it paired so u are not folding anything.
    • pokerferrer
      pokerferrer
      Bronze
      Joined: 05.03.2008 Posts: 6,347
      Yeah, bluff is awful vs such player. Also you have some weak showdown value which is reason for checking.
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      I have an exercise for u. Guess villains preflop range here and see how often he is folding on the flop.

      Open pokerstove and look at the % of hands played. Unclick the hands u think he is folding. Look at the new number and find out your fold equity.
    • daisuke3823
      daisuke3823
      Bronze
      Joined: 05.02.2008 Posts: 8,321
      Originally posted by mbml
      Hi

      Give up flop cos villain is tight (pf range weighted towards pocketpairs) and because u have no backdoors.

      Turn is bad cos it paired so u are not folding anything.

      check fold on the flop?
      why he wont fold if turn is paired?
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      What do u think his calling range on the flop is?
      What do u think he folds on the turn vs a 2nd bet?

      Compare his flop and turn range. See the difference in % range and find out your fold equity.

      I really recommend doing exercises instead of blindly following forum advice. You will realize for yourself why this is such a big mistake to bet the turn.

      Remeber when u bet 2/3 pot u are risking 2 to win 5. Therefore u need 40% fold equity.
    • daisuke3823
      daisuke3823
      Bronze
      Joined: 05.02.2008 Posts: 8,321
      Originally posted by mbml
      What do u think his calling range on the flop is?
      What do u think he folds on the turn vs a 2nd bet?

      Compare his flop and turn range. See the difference in % range and find out your fold equity.

      I really recommend doing exercises instead of blindly following forum advice. You will realize for yourself why this is such a big mistake to bet the turn.

      Remeber when u bet 2/3 pot u are risking 2 to win 5. Therefore u need 40% fold equity.

      his flop range is AQ,KQs,77~JJ.
      and nothing is changed on the turn so I think turn bet is worthless and if I want to bet,I think I would need triple barrel
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      Maybe he 3bets aq and jj pre but hes tight so i think he could show up with those.

      I think you are on the right track next step is to realize that since your flop fold equity isnt too high, u sbould not cbet aq withot a spade in the first place. If you turn a spade with a spade, you can 3barrel to rep the flush. Wih your spades, its less likely that your opponent has a flush.

      What could a nit have pre? Mostly suited broadways. If u have As or Qs he cant have stuff like AsTs AsQs KsQs QsTs QsJs AsJs