[NL20-NL50] NL25 Zoom 6max - River

    • Guthans
      Guthans
      Silver
      Joined: 16.12.2009 Posts: 742
      Obviously I probably have to call the river given my odds and the busted FD. However, did I kill myself in the hand during flop or the turn?

      $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
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      6 Players
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      Stacks:
      UTG eldave79 ($76.62) 306bb
      UTG+1 RAFANAMOSCA ($23.04) 92bb
      CO Wedmak ($12.75) 51bb
      BTN Guthan ($32.36) 129bb
      SB basurman234 ($24.66) 99bb
      BB LucaBrasi n1 ($10.42) 42bb

      Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Guthan is BTN 10:heart: A:club:
      2 folds, Wedmak raises to $0.65, Guthan raises to $1.75, 2 folds, Wedmak calls $1.10

      Flop: A:heart: 9:spade: J:spade: ($3.85, 2 players)
      Wedmak checks, Guthan bets $1.75, Wedmak calls $1.75

      Turn: 3:club: ($7.35, 2 players)
      Wedmak checks, Guthan bets $3.50, Wedmak calls $3.50

      River: K:club: ($14.35, 2 players)
      Wedmak goes all-in $5.75, Guthan calls $5.75

      Final Pot: $25.85
      Guthan shows a pair of Aces
      10:heart: A:club:
      Wedmak shows two pair, Aces and Kings
      K:diamond: A:spade:

      Wedmak wins $24.69 (net +$11.94)

      Guthan lost $12.75
  • 3 replies
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      Hi.

      Preflop: why are u 3betting here? What are your reads?

      Flop: i dont think u have 3 streets of value. Either check flop or turn.

      As played river is a snapcall for those odds. Wont be surprised to see some busted draws. Would also like to point out that your bet size is suboptimal preflop. Make it smaller - u can see the compounding effect of your size. By making a larger 3b, even though you only half potted flop and turn, u had under halfpot on the river which is kind of an awkward betsize.

      Not a big deal vs fish though.
    • Guthans
      Guthans
      Silver
      Joined: 16.12.2009 Posts: 742
      Originally posted by mbml
      Hi.

      Preflop: why are u 3betting here? What are your reads?

      Flop: i dont think u have 3 streets of value. Either check flop or turn.

      As played river is a snapcall for those odds. Wont be surprised to see some busted draws. Would also like to point out that your bet size is suboptimal preflop. Make it smaller - u can see the compounding effect of your size. By making a larger 3b, even though you only half potted flop and turn, u had under halfpot on the river which is kind of an awkward betsize.

      Not a big deal vs fish though.
      3betting to take it down preflop pretty much, blocker hand. Should I be flatting? Perhaps there's no value in 3betting a SS like this?

      It's already smaller than 3x, should I be making it even smaller against his stack? To what extent?
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      I don't mind making thin value 3bets if we knew that the fish is either
      -calling way too wide with many worse hands
      -plays very weakly postflop, so we don't mind isolating him from the others and then taking down the pot on the flop with a continuation bet most of the time

      doesn't seem that you have such a read here, since you did not mention it. flatting is definitely a reasonable option. I Don't think it's clear whether 3b or call is the best line with so little info.

      i don't think you should be using 3X PF raise sizes all the time, that's just a general guideline. Usually vs shorter stacks I would make it 2.5X, maybe even lower vs 25-30bb stacks.