[NL20-NL50] KQo

    • zumpar
      zumpar
      Bronze
      Joined: 05.02.2012 Posts: 1,185
      vs some loose weirdo fish, unknown pretty much

      75/67 AF:3 over 12 hands


      call turn? fold turn? jam flop?


      iPoker - $0.20 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BB: $19.90 (VPIP: 18.35, PFR: 1.85, 3Bet Preflop: 2.33, Hands: 109)
      CO: $12.49 (VPIP: 41.18, PFR: 8.24, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 90)
      BTN: $19.97 (VPIP: 75.00, PFR: 66.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
      Hero (SB): $33.42

      Hero posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.20

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.30) Hero has K:diamond: Q:heart:

      fold, BTN raises to $0.40, Hero raises to $1.40, fold, BTN raises to $2.40, Hero calls $1.00

      Flop: ($5.00, 2 players) 8:heart: 7:heart: Q:club:
      Hero checks, BTN bets $3.75, Hero calls $3.75

      Turn: ($12.50, 2 players) 7:spade:
      Hero checks, BTN bets $13.82, Hero calls $13.82

      River: ($40.14, 2 players) 3:diamond:

      BTN shows 9:club: K:club: (One Pair, Sevens) (Pre 31%, Flop 9%, Turn 0%)
      Hero shows K:diamond: Q:heart: (Two Pair, Queens and Sevens) (Pre 69%, Flop 91%, Turn 100%)
      Hero wins $38.14
  • 4 replies
    • DarkAwi
      DarkAwi
      Bronze
      Joined: 15.06.2010 Posts: 3,288
      As I experienced, fold equity is a non existant against these players, so If you 3bet them, they either 4bets, or calls, and you will be oop, with no FE, and you have no other choice than check/fold if you missed.
      So I'd just call pre, and play fit or fold against him.

      I also play AK this way oop, don't know what do you think about it, but without FE pre/post, I think it's better to play it passively, these guys usually pot flop/turn/river with their air if you show weakness.
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      Hi.

      Preflop: KQ 3bet is really standard here. This is a thin value/isolation play. When someone is playing 75% of hands, I think he is calling with a ton of worse rubbish hands.

      I'm folding to the 4bet unless we know that he 4bets wide. nothing great can happen for you here and we don't know how to play our hand even if we hit top pair. I would call with KQs though.

      Flop: If you think you are up against a sufficiently wide 4bet range, then flatting KQo is fine (requires a read). And when you flop TPGK in a 4b pot you can't fold.
    • DarkAwi
      DarkAwi
      Bronze
      Joined: 15.06.2010 Posts: 3,288
      What if villain doesn't fold to 3bets, neither cbets. Talking about big fishes usually of course. Do you still 3bet/fold strong brodways against them? I started just calling these oop, and works fine, but only on small sample. So, without any fold equity, isn't it better just flat, and play fit/or fold?

      Okay that your range is stronger, but if you have no FE, you'll get floated a lot, and bluff barreling against such a bad player won't be good either.
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      well if we can value 3b in the first place, that's basically the best way to build the pot from the beginning - when we know we are a favourite vs our opponent's range.

      Postflop playability also becomes a lot easier - we can cbet once and give up when we miss, we can keep betting F+T+R when we hit TPGK.