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[NL2-NL10] NL10 SH Zoom - KQ TPGK 3b pot

    • Guthans
      Joined: 16.12.2009 Posts: 766
      When I call here it's because I'm IP, against two opponents which gives my hand better odds. My question to you is; Do I get committed to calling down with TPGK when flatting this type of hand? It's defo a crycall from my part OTT. My turn play set up the river so that I can't fold, so how should I play OTF & OTT?

      $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem
      6 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by

      UTG Skoupistras ($85.59) 856bb
      UTG+1 newalker ($5) 50bb
      CO Mannyy12 ($10.70) 107bb
      BTN Guthan ($21.84) 218bb
      SB Tolstokuz ($18.46) 185bb
      BB bastip387 ($10.10) 101bb

      Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 6 players) Guthan is BTN K:heart: Q:heart:
      3 folds, Guthan raises to $0.20, Tolstokuz calls $0.15, bastip387 raises to $0.90, Guthan calls $0.70, Tolstokuz folds

      Flop: 5:heart: 9:club: Q:diamond: ($2, 2 players)
      bastip387 bets $1.50, Guthan calls $1.50

      Turn: 4:club: ($5, 2 players)
      bastip387 bets $3.50, Guthan calls $3.50

      River: 8:heart: ($12, 2 players)
      bastip387 goes all-in $4.20, Guthan calls $4.20

      Final Pot: $20.40
      Guthan shows a pair of Queens
      K:heart: Q:heart:
      bastip387 shows a pair of Kings
      K:spade: K:club:

      bastip387 wins $19.48 (net +$9.38)

      Guthan lost $10.10
      Tolstokuz lost $0.20
  • 3 replies
    • kymupa
      Joined: 22.10.2009 Posts: 22,364

      I don't mind calling the 3bet here preflop.

      On the flop I am a little bit suspicious when he bets so big, but we do have TPGK, a couple of backdoors as well, so calling is fine.

      Once he continues betting on the bigger side on the turn, I would folding without any further information.

    • Guthans
      Joined: 16.12.2009 Posts: 766
      Thanks for getting back to me.
      The reason I kept calling was because I heard somewhere that if the turn doesn't change you can't really fold if you called OTF? Anything you ever heard of?
    • kymupa
      Joined: 22.10.2009 Posts: 22,364
      Well, this is something that can be true in vacuum, but in the real world you can't really use it.

      Lets say that there is a guy who cbets 100% on the flop, but only 20% on the turn.
      So this means, that he is cbetting every hand he gets to the flop with, but only continues betting the turn with his value range. Does this means that you are going to call with a third pair on the turn against this guy if the turn is a blank? No, right?

      So, interpreting this here, we really need to think what worse hands would the guy bet on this turn and why he'd bet them so big. The reality is that people don't tend to bluff on more than one street in 3bet pots so we can assume that he could probably have a hand when he bets the turn for the second time again.