[NL2-NL10] NL5 SH ZOOM AA (no hud)

    • justkyle88
      justkyle88
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      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 7,613
      Pretty sure I'm supposed to c-bet flop but I felt I need to keep his range wider.



      $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
      6 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG ALL-IN654 ($5.15) 103bb
      UTG+1 Napilnick666 ($6.65) 133bb
      CO HappyAlien ($5) 100bb
      BTN Murzik100 ($5.87) 117bb
      SB raika14 ($5.07) 101bb
      BB justkyle88 ($12.07) 241bb

      Pre-Flop: ($0.07, 6 players) justkyle88 is BB A:heart: A:diamond:
      ALL-IN654 calls $0.05, 2 folds, Murzik100 raises to $0.20, raika14 raises to $0.50, justkyle88 raises to $1.75, ALL-IN654 folds, 1 fold, raika14 calls $1.25

      Flop: Q:heart: 3:club: K:spade: ($3.75, 2 players)
      raika14 checks, justkyle88 checks

      Turn: 10:club: ($3.75, 2 players)
      raika14 bets $0.80, $0.8 to justkyle88 ($10.32)?
  • 11 replies
    • mbml
      mbml
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      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,698
      Hi

      Why do you need to keep his range wider? Standard play is to bet, and we have absolutely no reason to deviate from that since we are readless. Bet 1.30 on the flop and jam blank turns.

      On this exact turn card i may opt to check instead but jamming is probably fine anyway.
    • justkyle88
      justkyle88
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      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 7,613
      It was BB vs SB vs BU so my 4-bet could keep TT-QQ, AK, maybe....AQ and against that range I crush with AA.

      Board: QhKs3c
      Equity Win Tie
      MP2 81.10% 80.75% 0.36% { AA }
      MP3 18.90% 18.54% 0.36% { QQ-TT, AQs+, AQo+ }
    • mbml
      mbml
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      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,698
      Well that range is a little too optimistic, he probably folds TT and JJ a good amount of the time.

      Anyway I still think we have value in a Flop bet. I don't think you should exclude AK from villain's range, if villain is not willing to jam QQ he probably flats AK a good amount as well.

      And that's the main hand we are targeting when we choose to bet Flop shove Turn.
    • justkyle88
      justkyle88
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      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 7,613
      I didn't exclude AK out of villains range :/
      MP3 18.90% 18.54% 0.36% { QQ-TT, AQs+, AQo+ }


      Even with your range I'm in great shape:
      Board: QhKs3c
      Equity Win Tie
      MP2 63.41% 62.87% 0.53% { AA }
      MP3 36.59% 36.06% 0.53% { QQ, AKs, AKo }


      I don't mean to be rude but the last two hands I don't feel like you've really read what I've written.
    • mbml
      mbml
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      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,698
      Ah my bad i missed that out. I usually read prety fast.

      Flop is a pretty clear bet and i rly see no need to keep on discussing it. Im not sure what point exactly u are trying to get at with that flop equity. We are such a huge favourife so we should bet? We are so far ahead that we should check? This isnt as though we have kk here. There are worse hands which can call our cbet and we should do it.

      Turn basically requires him to have ak and aq calling more often than kk qq kq.

      Is that the case? Im not entirely sure

      Ak 6 combos
      Aq 2 / 6 combos

      Qq 3 combos
      Kk 1/3 combos
      Kq 3/9 combos
      Aj 2/8 combos

      Seems like its more of a check on this 3 straight turn since we cannot bet for value here.
    • mbml
      mbml
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      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,698
      And just to talk abt the flop spot in greater detail.

      Step 1: should we bet?
      A. Can we bet for value? - in this case yes
      B. Can we bet as a bluff? - no

      Step 2: do we have any reason to check? Is the ev of checking higher than betting for value?
      A. Do we have reads that our opponent loves bluffing? No
      B. Are we way ahead of our opponent's range? No (i define it as crushing his range with 95%+ equity)
      C. Are we blocking his value combos making it difficult for him to call with worse? No. That mostly applies to top set and flopping boats on dry textures.

      Since we have a good reason to bet (for value) and we have no reason to think that checking is superior, bet.

      Is this the answer u are looking for abt the flop spot?
    • justkyle88
      justkyle88
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      Thankyou for clearing that up.

      That did help a lot, like I said, the only reason I thought about not betting was because it was a 4-bet pot and maybe he would get scared with just AK, felt like I need to pot control and keep his range wider.

      In saying that if you think my value is much higher than it is then should I just ship flop? I don't really want to bet $1 or something because he will more than likely shove with stronger hands in 4-bet pot.

      When he bets 80c on turn I'm insta shoving, I see it as weak as beeeeeeep.
    • mbml
      mbml
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      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,698
      Hm i kept thinking this was a normal 4b pot. Forgot that both the initial isoraise and your 4b size was extraordinarily huge. Since theres only a pot size bet left behind in stacks this would be a jam or fold spot on the flop.

      Forget what i said abt the turn, that would be mofe applicable if pot had only 40bb on the flop and we cbet something like 15bb with 65bb left behind on the turn.

      Here pot is 71bb, u have 65 bb left. I dont think theres much room to make smaller bets and we should jist shove our entire value range (and maybe some bluffs if we somehow decides to 4b aj or jt or at here).
    • justkyle88
      justkyle88
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      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 7,613
      Originally posted by mbml
      Well that range is a little too optimistic, he probably folds TT and JJ a good amount of the time.
      SO does that mean my range is not optimistic anymore?
    • mbml
      mbml
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      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,698
      well i thought you were trying to show that you were very far ahead of a calling range (meaning that there's massive amounts of value to be had and thus you should value bet).

      If he is calling with fewer hands (excluding JJ and TT), then you have less value here and thus your range would be more optimistic (in terms of him calling with worse hands) as compared to mine (where I assume that he folds JJ/TT).

      But i'm not really sure what your equity calculation was trying to get at.
    • justkyle88
      justkyle88
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      Was just my assumption at that persons range in that situation. Even with the range you gave me, was like a 63.3% vs 36.6% I'm gonna fist pump with that in CGs everyday.