[NL20-NL50] NL50 SH - AKo: 3bet pot overcards

    • Lunitis
      Lunitis
      Bronze
      Joined: 22.02.2009 Posts: 20,136
      20/15
      19% OR MP
      49% fold vs 3bet (52% MP)
      3.7% 4bet range
      52% fold vs cbet 3bp; 40% turn (5)
      23% wtsd
      37% wwsf
      3.9k hands

      Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      UTG: $52.90 (105.8 bb)
      MP: $30 (60 bb)
      CO: $31.69 (63.4 bb)
      BTN: $36.96 (73.9 bb)
      Hero (SB): $53.84 (107.7 bb)
      BB: $50 (100 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with A Q
      UTG raises to $1.25, 2 folds, BTN calls $1.25, Hero raises to $6, BB calls $5.50, 2 folds

      Flop: ($14.50) 3 K Q (2 players)
      Hero checks, BB checks

      Turn: ($14.50) 9 (2 players)
      Hero bets $7, BB calls $7

      River: ($28.50) 7 (2 players)
      Hero

      I "know" that he have second pair here very often, but there is something i can do about it here? If i bet turn i dont know if he fold 88-JJ, if not i should bet the river also, but if he does if i bet the river i would be just giving pure value to his AQ/KQ. ?(
  • 7 replies
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,698
      hi

      i think you can bet turn and c/f river. the other option is to bet F c/c blank T, or bet River after checking Turn.

      the EV of each of these 3 decisions should be rather close.
    • mbml
      mbml
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      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,698
      oh just realized you posted the wrong hand, please repost
    • Lunitis
      Lunitis
      Bronze
      Joined: 22.02.2009 Posts: 20,136
      Yep, true.
      I cant find the hand now :rolleyes:
      I had AQo CO vs this reg open in the UTG. Board was K7xx he c/c flop, turn...
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,698
      you have AQo or AKo (as mentioned in the title?)

      Assuming we had AQo, he checks the K7X flop? I suppose it's a dry texture? Without reads I would not stab here with AQ as I think this is a flop where the PFR is not going to be folding to one bet. So unless you have a hand which has some backdoor equity, I would probably just give up immediately. With hands that have good equity I would just bet and keep on firing Turn and maybe even river.
    • Lunitis
      Lunitis
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      Joined: 22.02.2009 Posts: 20,136
      Ah, yep AK in Q7X dry board. Would it make big difference? (comparing with having AQ in K7x).
      So if we bet we have to bet twice always? Even if we dont improve? Do you think second pairs tend to fold the turn even if the turn card isnt an over?
    • Lunitis
      Lunitis
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      Joined: 22.02.2009 Posts: 20,136
      Finally i found it:

      Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      MP: $75.04 (150.1 bb)
      Hero (CO): $109.09 (218.2 bb)
      BTN: $25.76 (51.5 bb)
      SB: $41.76 (83.5 bb)
      BB: $50 (100 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with A K
      MP raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $5, 3 folds, MP calls $3.50

      Flop: ($10.75) 6 Q Q (2 players)
      MP checks, Hero bets $5.50, MP calls $5.50

      Turn: ($21.75) 7 (2 players)
      MP checks, Hero


      Answer the questions of the post i did before please. With that scenario.
    • mbml
      mbml
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      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,698
      AK on QXX is far worse than AQ on KXX. And QQX boards are far worse than QXX boards.

      I think we have a fairly easy check/fold on the Flop on the QQX board. Basically this is a board which is just way too good for the PF caller.

      1) Tighter Range
      Board: QsQd6s
      Equity Win Tie
      MP2 25.00% 24.87% 0.13% { AhKs }
      MP3 75.00% 74.87% 0.13% { JJ-77, AQs, AQo }

      2) Wider Range including AJs/KQs
      Board: QsQd6s
      Equity Win Tie
      MP2 27.41% 26.77% 0.64% { AhKs }
      MP3 72.59% 71.95% 0.64% { JJ-77, AQs-AJs, KQs, AQo }

      Basically my point is that nothing good comes out of betting, he just folds his AJs/ATs type of hands, and he always calls his QX broadways and pocket pairs for 2 barrels and I do not like the idea of barreling blindly.