[NL20-NL50] NL50 - T7s preflop question

    • Farmarchist
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      Hi all

      What would be the bottom of your callingrange here preflop? :) I thought T7s was rly close

      Postflop standard right?

      Poker Stars $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2174485
      DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

      BTN: $50.00 - VPIP: 14, PFR: 12, 3B: 9, AF: 10,0, Hands: 121
      SB: $34.11 - VPIP: 42, PFR: 11, 3B: 11, AF: 3,0, Hands: 19
      Hero (BB): $50.00 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 19, 3B: 8, AF: 3,7, Hands: 225445
      UTG: $90.49 - VPIP: 38, PFR: 13, 3B: 0, AF: 4,0, Hands: 8
      MP: $56.03 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 17, 3B: 6, AF: 2,3, Hands: 88
      CO: $53.56 - VPIP: 27, PFR: 13, 3B: 0, AF: 1,5, Hands: 15

      Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with T :heart: 7 :heart:
      2 folds, CO raises to $1.50, 1 fold, SB calls $1.25, Hero calls $1

      Flop: ($4.50) 5 :heart: A :heart: Q :diamond: (3 players)
      SB bets $3.50, Hero calls $3.50, CO folds

      Turn: ($11.50) 3 :diamond: (2 players)
      SB bets $5.50, Hero calls $5.50

      River: ($22.50) Q :spade: (2 players)
      SB bets $9.00, Hero folds
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    • w34z3l
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      Hey Farmachist,

      Range for calling multi-way here with position on SB...little tighter when SB is not full-stacked. Vs full stack it would include SCs 56s+, 1-gaps T8s+, suited Ax, PP's, etc (roughly speaking). T7s would go into my fold/squeeze range, mainly fold.

      Turn call is borderline, don't quite get the direct odds, but hopefully will have implieds.
    • Farmarchist
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      Allright cool, I agree. This hand would be a call of OR was on the btn right? :)
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    • w34z3l
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      Originally posted by Farmarchist
      Allright cool, I agree. This hand would be a call of OR was on the btn right? :)
      Actually with a hand like T7s the tighter the OR the better. Calling vs CO open is better than calling vs BTN open with a hand like this.

      Did I understand the question right?
    • Farmarchist
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      Hmmm okay makes some sense. And yes you did understand that right.

      But let's say btn opens and the fishy sb calls. I would still call T7s (fold T6s I think unless SB is fullstacked). Why would I 3bet without FE v the fish preflop? His range will also dominate my hand postflop. So in spots like this with a fish in the pot I'm only 3betting for value, but also thin value like KTo.
    • w34z3l
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      Originally posted by Farmarchist
      Why would I 3bet without FE v the fish preflop? His range will also dominate my hand postflop.
      You wouldn't. I'm not suggesting you squeeze T7s, I'm just suggesting you put it in the "squeeze or fold" category. If you cannot profitably squeeze then you fold it 100%.

      I would fold T7s anyway. It's borderline. You might make it profitable though. It'd be easier in long run if fish was full-stacked.
    • Farmarchist
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      Okay cool :)

      Because I play a lot of hands in this spot I also donk some flops and play back a lot by check/Raising vs the PFA etc etc so that's why I thought it was better to call pre if BTN opened. (BTN has a wider range than CO so easier to attack him)
    • w34z3l
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      Originally posted by Farmarchist
      Because I play a lot of hands in this spot I also donk some flops and play back a lot by check/Raising vs the PFA etc etc so that's why I thought it was better to call pre if BTN opened. (BTN has a wider range than CO so easier to attack him)
      The difficulty is bluffing when there is a fish in the pot. If it was just you + the reg you could get him off his hand postflop. (In this instance you prefer reg to be in later position with wider more exploitable range).

      Given there is a fish in the pot you mainly need to be playing for implied-odds here, not postflop steal-equity. It's beneficial if the fish has a deeper stack and the reg has a tighter range.
    • Farmarchist
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      Yipyip totally agree :) . My thoughts do count when reg would be in sb though :)

      thanks again =)
    • w34z3l
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      Originally posted by Farmarchist
      Yipyip totally agree :) . My thoughts do count when reg would be in sb though :)
      Yup, totally

      Originally posted by Farmarchist
      thanks again =)
      no probs =)