# Equity question

• Bronze
Joined: 27.02.2011
In a hypothetical, if there were 10 people at the table, and you were last to act and everyone before you called, I'm sure you'd have the odds to call with any two cards in hopes of hitting a great flop right?

So, with that in mind is there any way of determining when you have the odds to call preflop that doesn't involve ridiculously complex math?

• 4 replies
• Silver
Joined: 03.03.2011
raise and let them think about odds to call.

• Bronze
Joined: 17.01.2011
I'd say the opponents, if your opponents are big fishes and more likely to spew of with top pair your implied odds gets sky rocketed with almost any 2 cards and it really doesnt matter if you are doing a slightly bad mathematically pot odds call preflop
• Bronze
Joined: 19.05.2011
"odds to call" is useless in NLHE - Preflop.
• Black
Joined: 21.01.2010
Well it depends, if your in a 6 max games on the BB and someone opened and the rest called then assuming he opened to 3bb there is now 5x3 bb + 1bb that you posted in the pot and you only have to call 2bb which means you get 8:1 on your money.
This means that in order to make a breakeven call you have to win the pot 1 out of 8 times. So even if you c/f 7 times in a row and then c-bet and take it down when you hit, winning no additional money you made a breakeven call.

But preflop odds are one thing and even when you get good odds such as this 8:1 or even better if he opened for less then 3x you still can't call crappy hands like T2s or stuff like that. The problem is that hand like 82s is more likely to lose you money postflop since you will flop a FD and call at least one street or get overflushed losing you a lot of money or on a TT8 flop where you pretty much flopped the ''nuts'' you still can't play it hard since when its 6way to the flop and your gonna get it in you really won't have the best hand that often, being up against all better T's and boats. Its not like someone is just going to stick it in with AA against your c/r when the flop going multiway like that.

The hands you should always call are hands that play good in multiway pots, this means mainly pocket pairs then suited aces and suited kings and if you want to extend your range you can add suited brodways, connectors and gappers as well.