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[NL2-NL10] AQo 040913

    • nipbourne
      nipbourne
      Bronze
      Joined: 21.07.2009 Posts: 3,597
      $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem
      6 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG ($5.27) 53bb
      UTG+1 ($9.84) 98bb
      CO ($10) 100bb
      BTN ($6.44) 64bb
      Hero (SB) ($10.05) 101bb
      BB ($8) 80bb

      Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 6 players) Hero is SB A:diamond: Q:club:
      1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.10, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.60, BB calls $0.50, UTG+1 calls $0.50, BTN calls $0.50

      Flop: 10:heart: 10:spade: A:spade: ($2.40, 4 players)
      Hero ?
      can i bet for value? what's the plan on turn/river?
      bb 43/0
      utg1 83/17
      btn 65/10
  • 7 replies
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
      Basic
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Hi Nip,

      Preflop: looks fine

      Postflop: Why can't we bet for value? We have 3 fish and all called. Draws + Ax are a huge part of their calling ranges (not just Tx).

      The plan would be to play for stacks against them.
    • nipbourne
      nipbourne
      Bronze
      Joined: 21.07.2009 Posts: 3,597
      Originally posted by BogdanPS
      Postflop: Why can't we bet for value? We have 3 fish and all called. Draws + Ax are a huge part of their calling ranges (not just Tx).

      The plan would be to play for stacks against them.
      but vs their whole range we only have 53% equity?

      Board: A:spade: T:spade: T:heart:
      Equity Win Tie
      MP2 53.26% 48.75% 4.51% { AdQc }
      MP3 19.24% 16.53% 2.70% { 43% }
      CO 14.46% 12.90% 1.57% { 65% }
      BU 13.04% 11.84% 1.19% { 83% }
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
      Basic
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      So that implies all three go all in.

      If that's true how much money are you investing compared to the 53% equity?
    • nipbourne
      nipbourne
      Bronze
      Joined: 21.07.2009 Posts: 3,597
      assume they would call flop cb with Ax/Tx/GS/FD, then we can't bet for value? ?(

      Board: A:spade: T:spade: T:heart:
             Equity     Win     Tie
      MP2    18.70%  14.83%   3.87% { AdQc }
      MP3    24.54%  21.69%   2.85% { TdTc, KJs, AhKh, AcKc, AhQh, KdQd, KhQh, KsQs, AhJh, AcJc, QdJd, QhJh, QsJs, AcTc, KdTd, KcTc, QdTd, JdTd, JcTc, Ah9h, Ac9c, Ks9s, Qs9s, Js9s, Td9d, Tc9c, Ah8h, Ac8c, Ks8s, Qs8s, Js8s, Td8d, Tc8c, 9s8s, Ah7h, Ac7c, Ks7s, Qs7s, Js7s, Td7d, Tc7c, 9s7s, 8s7s, Ah6h, Ac6c, Ks6s, Qs6s, Js6s, Td6d, Tc6c, Ah5h, Ac5c, Ks5s, Qs5s, Ah4h, Ac4c, Ks4s, Qs4s, Ah3h, Ac3c, Ks3s, Ah2h, Ac2c, Ks2s, KJo, AhKd, AhKs, AhKc, AcKd, AcKh, AcKs, AhQd, AhQs, AcQd, AcQh, AcQs, AhJd, AhJs, AhJc, AcJd, AcJh, AcJs, AhTd, AhTc, AcTd, Ah9d, Ah9s, Ah9c, Ac9d, Ac9h, Ac9s, Ah8d, Ah8s, Ah8c, Ac8d, Ac8h, Ac8s, Ah7d, Ah7s, Ah7c, Ac7d, Ac7h, Ac7s, Ah6d, Ah6s, Ah6c, Ac6d, Ac6h, Ac6s, Ah5d, Ah5s, Ah5c, Ac5d, Ac5h, Ac5s, Ah4d, Ah4s, Ah4c, Ac4d, Ac4h, Ac4s, Ah3d, Ah3s, Ah3c, Ac3d, Ac3h, Ac3s, Ah2d, Ah2s, Ah2c, Ac2d, Ac2h, Ac2s, KdQh, KdQs, KhQd, KhQs, KsQd, KsQh, KcQd, KcQh, KcQs, KdTc, KhTd, KhTc, KsTd, KsTc, KcTd, QdJh, QdJs, QdJc, QhJd, QhJs, QhJc, QsJd, QsJh, QsJc, QdTc, QhTd, QhTc, QsTd, QsTc, JdTc, JhTd, JhTc, JsTd, JsTc, JcTd, Td9h, Td9s, Td9c, Tc9d, Tc9h, Tc9s, Td8h, Td8s, Td8c, Tc8d, Tc8h, Tc8s }
      CO     27.06%  24.39%   2.67% { TdTc, KJs, AhKh, AcKc, AhQh, KdQd, KhQh, KsQs, AhJh, AcJc, QdJd, QhJh, QsJs, AcTc, KdTd, KcTc, QdTd, JdTd, JcTc, Ah9h, Ac9c, Ks9s, Qs9s, Js9s, Td9d, Tc9c, Ah8h, Ac8c, Ks8s, Qs8s, Js8s, Td8d, Tc8c, 9s8s, Ah7h, Ac7c, Ks7s, Qs7s, Js7s, Td7d, Tc7c, 9s7s, 8s7s, Ah6h, Ac6c, Ks6s, Qs6s, Js6s, Td6d, Tc6c, 9s6s, 8s6s, 7s6s, Ah5h, Ac5c, Ks5s, Qs5s, Js5s, Td5d, Tc5c, 9s5s, 8s5s, 7s5s, 6s5s, Ah4h, Ac4c, Ks4s, Qs4s, Js4s, Td4d, Tc4c, 9s4s, 8s4s, 7s4s, 6s4s, 5s4s, Ah3h, Ac3c, Ks3s, Qs3s, Js3s, Td3d, Tc3c, Ah2h, Ac2c, Ks2s, Qs2s, Js2s, Td2d, Tc2c, KJo, AhKd, AhKs, AhKc, AcKd, AcKh, AcKs, AhQd, AhQs, AcQd, AcQh, AcQs, AhJd, AhJs, AhJc, AcJd, AcJh, AcJs, AhTd, AhTc, AcTd, Ah9d, Ah9s, Ah9c, Ac9d, Ac9h, Ac9s, Ah8d, Ah8s, Ah8c, Ac8d, Ac8h, Ac8s, Ah7d, Ah7s, Ah7c, Ac7d, Ac7h, Ac7s, Ah6d, Ah6s, Ah6c, Ac6d, Ac6h, Ac6s, Ah5d, Ah5s, Ah5c, Ac5d, Ac5h, Ac5s, Ah4d, Ah4s, Ah4c, Ac4d, Ac4h, Ac4s, Ah3d, Ah3s, Ah3c, Ac3d, Ac3h, Ac3s, Ah2d, Ah2s, Ah2c, Ac2d, Ac2h, Ac2s, KdQh, KdQs, KhQd, KhQs, KsQd, KsQh, KcQd, KcQh, KcQs, KdTc, KhTd, KhTc, KsTd, KsTc, KcTd, QdJh, QdJs, QdJc, QhJd, QhJs, QhJc, QsJd, QsJh, QsJc, QdTc, QhTd, QhTc, QsTd, QsTc, JdTc, JhTd, JhTc, JsTd, JsTc, JcTd, Td9h, Td9s, Td9c, Tc9d, Tc9h, Tc9s, Td8h, Td8s, Td8c, Tc8d, Tc8h, Tc8s, Td7h, Td7s, Td7c, Tc7d, Tc7h, Tc7s }
      BU     29.70%  27.17%   2.53% { TdTc, KJs, AhKh, AcKc, AhQh, KdQd, KhQh, KsQs, AhJh, AcJc, QdJd, QhJh, QsJs, AcTc, KdTd, KcTc, QdTd, JdTd, JcTc, Ah9h, Ac9c, Ks9s, Qs9s, Js9s, Td9d, Tc9c, Ah8h, Ac8c, Ks8s, Qs8s, Js8s, Td8d, Tc8c, 9s8s, Ah7h, Ac7c, Ks7s, Qs7s, Js7s, Td7d, Tc7c, 9s7s, 8s7s, Ah6h, Ac6c, Ks6s, Qs6s, Js6s, Td6d, Tc6c, 9s6s, 8s6s, 7s6s, Ah5h, Ac5c, Ks5s, Qs5s, Js5s, Td5d, Tc5c, 9s5s, 8s5s, 7s5s, 6s5s, Ah4h, Ac4c, Ks4s, Qs4s, Js4s, Td4d, Tc4c, 9s4s, 8s4s, 7s4s, 6s4s, 5s4s, Ah3h, Ac3c, Ks3s, Qs3s, Js3s, Td3d, Tc3c, 9s3s, 8s3s, 7s3s, 6s3s, 5s3s, 4s3s, Ah2h, Ac2c, Ks2s, Qs2s, Js2s, Td2d, Tc2c, 9s2s, 8s2s, 7s2s, 6s2s, 5s2s, 4s2s, KJo, AhKd, AhKs, AhKc, AcKd, AcKh, AcKs, AhQd, AhQs, AcQd, AcQh, AcQs, AhJd, AhJs, AhJc, AcJd, AcJh, AcJs, AhTd, AhTc, AcTd, Ah9d, Ah9s, Ah9c, Ac9d, Ac9h, Ac9s, Ah8d, Ah8s, Ah8c, Ac8d, Ac8h, Ac8s, Ah7d, Ah7s, Ah7c, Ac7d, Ac7h, Ac7s, Ah6d, Ah6s, Ah6c, Ac6d, Ac6h, Ac6s, Ah5d, Ah5s, Ah5c, Ac5d, Ac5h, Ac5s, Ah4d, Ah4s, Ah4c, Ac4d, Ac4h, Ac4s, Ah3d, Ah3s, Ah3c, Ac3d, Ac3h, Ac3s, Ah2d, Ah2s, Ah2c, Ac2d, Ac2h, Ac2s, KdQh, KdQs, KhQd, KhQs, KsQd, KsQh, KcQd, KcQh, KcQs, KdTc, KhTd, KhTc, KsTd, KsTc, KcTd, QdJh, QdJs, QdJc, QhJd, QhJs, QhJc, QsJd, QsJh, QsJc, QdTc, QhTd, QhTc, QsTd, QsTc, JdTc, JhTd, JhTc, JsTd, JsTc, JcTd, Td9h, Td9s, Td9c, Tc9d, Tc9h, Tc9s, Td8h, Td8s, Td8c, Tc8d, Tc8h, Tc8s, Td7h, Td7s, Td7c, Tc7d, Tc7h, Tc7s, Td6h, Td6s, Td6c, Tc6d, Tc6h, Tc6s, Td5h, Td5s, Td5c, Tc5d, Tc5h, Tc5s, Td4h, Td4s, Td4c, Tc4d, Tc4h, Tc4s }
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
      Basic
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Are you going broke on this flop versus 3 guys?

      Then yes your equity will be this if they have those ranges.

      Why would you calculate your ALL IN equity when you are talking about a simple cbet?

      When I said that the plan is to play for stacks versus them I meant that if we get called by one or two which is the most likely outcome.

      The most unlikely outcome would be for them to all fold or for all 3 to come along or get it in on the flop.
    • nipbourne
      nipbourne
      Bronze
      Joined: 21.07.2009 Posts: 3,597
      so if we get called by two, then it's close and we can bet turn/river?
      if we get called by one, it's profitable?
      if we get called by three, we can c/f turn?

      Board: A:spade: T:spade: T:heart:
             Equity     Win     Tie
      MP2    33.85%  28.33%   5.52% { AdQc }
      MP3    31.30%  27.33%   3.97% { TdTc, KJs, AhKh, AcKc, AhQh, KdQd, KhQh, KsQs, AhJh, AcJc, QdJd, QhJh, QsJs, AcTc, KdTd, KcTc, QdTd, JdTd, JcTc, Ah9h, Ac9c, Ks9s, Qs9s, Js9s, Td9d, Tc9c, Ah8h, Ac8c, Ks8s, Qs8s, Js8s, Td8d, Tc8c, 9s8s, Ah7h, Ac7c, Ks7s, Qs7s, Js7s, Td7d, Tc7c, 9s7s, 8s7s, Ah6h, Ac6c, Ks6s, Qs6s, Js6s, Td6d, Tc6c, Ah5h, Ac5c, Ks5s, Qs5s, Ah4h, Ac4c, Ks4s, Qs4s, Ah3h, Ac3c, Ks3s, Ah2h, Ac2c, Ks2s, KJo, AhKd, AhKs, AhKc, AcKd, AcKh, AcKs, AhQd, AhQs, AcQd, AcQh, AcQs, AhJd, AhJs, AhJc, AcJd, AcJh, AcJs, AhTd, AhTc, AcTd, Ah9d, Ah9s, Ah9c, Ac9d, Ac9h, Ac9s, Ah8d, Ah8s, Ah8c, Ac8d, Ac8h, Ac8s, Ah7d, Ah7s, Ah7c, Ac7d, Ac7h, Ac7s, Ah6d, Ah6s, Ah6c, Ac6d, Ac6h, Ac6s, Ah5d, Ah5s, Ah5c, Ac5d, Ac5h, Ac5s, Ah4d, Ah4s, Ah4c, Ac4d, Ac4h, Ac4s, Ah3d, Ah3s, Ah3c, Ac3d, Ac3h, Ac3s, Ah2d, Ah2s, Ah2c, Ac2d, Ac2h, Ac2s, KdQh, KdQs, KhQd, KhQs, KsQd, KsQh, KcQd, KcQh, KcQs, KdTc, KhTd, KhTc, KsTd, KsTc, KcTd, QdJh, QdJs, QdJc, QhJd, QhJs, QhJc, QsJd, QsJh, QsJc, QdTc, QhTd, QhTc, QsTd, QsTc, JdTc, JhTd, JhTc, JsTd, JsTc, JcTd, Td9h, Td9s, Td9c, Tc9d, Tc9h, Tc9s, Td8h, Td8s, Td8c, Tc8d, Tc8h, Tc8s }
      CO     34.85%  31.45%   3.40% { TdTc, KJs, AhKh, AcKc, AhQh, KdQd, KhQh, KsQs, AhJh, AcJc, QdJd, QhJh, QsJs, AcTc, KdTd, KcTc, QdTd, JdTd, JcTc, Ah9h, Ac9c, Ks9s, Qs9s, Js9s, Td9d, Tc9c, Ah8h, Ac8c, Ks8s, Qs8s, Js8s, Td8d, Tc8c, 9s8s, Ah7h, Ac7c, Ks7s, Qs7s, Js7s, Td7d, Tc7c, 9s7s, 8s7s, Ah6h, Ac6c, Ks6s, Qs6s, Js6s, Td6d, Tc6c, 9s6s, 8s6s, 7s6s, Ah5h, Ac5c, Ks5s, Qs5s, Js5s, Td5d, Tc5c, 9s5s, 8s5s, 7s5s, 6s5s, Ah4h, Ac4c, Ks4s, Qs4s, Js4s, Td4d, Tc4c, 9s4s, 8s4s, 7s4s, 6s4s, 5s4s, Ah3h, Ac3c, Ks3s, Qs3s, Js3s, Td3d, Tc3c, Ah2h, Ac2c, Ks2s, Qs2s, Js2s, Td2d, Tc2c, KJo, AhKd, AhKs, AhKc, AcKd, AcKh, AcKs, AhQd, AhQs, AcQd, AcQh, AcQs, AhJd, AhJs, AhJc, AcJd, AcJh, AcJs, AhTd, AhTc, AcTd, Ah9d, Ah9s, Ah9c, Ac9d, Ac9h, Ac9s, Ah8d, Ah8s, Ah8c, Ac8d, Ac8h, Ac8s, Ah7d, Ah7s, Ah7c, Ac7d, Ac7h, Ac7s, Ah6d, Ah6s, Ah6c, Ac6d, Ac6h, Ac6s, Ah5d, Ah5s, Ah5c, Ac5d, Ac5h, Ac5s, Ah4d, Ah4s, Ah4c, Ac4d, Ac4h, Ac4s, Ah3d, Ah3s, Ah3c, Ac3d, Ac3h, Ac3s, Ah2d, Ah2s, Ah2c, Ac2d, Ac2h, Ac2s, KdQh, KdQs, KhQd, KhQs, KsQd, KsQh, KcQd, KcQh, KcQs, KdTc, KhTd, KhTc, KsTd, KsTc, KcTd, QdJh, QdJs, QdJc, QhJd, QhJs, QhJc, QsJd, QsJh, QsJc, QdTc, QhTd, QhTc, QsTd, QsTc, JdTc, JhTd, JhTc, JsTd, JsTc, JcTd, Td9h, Td9s, Td9c, Tc9d, Tc9h, Tc9s, Td8h, Td8s, Td8c, Tc8d, Tc8h, Tc8s, Td7h, Td7s, Td7c, Tc7d, Tc7h, Tc7s }
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
      Basic
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Ideally we get called by one and continue playing but if it's 2+ we would have to take each card and opponent and go from there.

      We can't say that we always go broke versus 2 or even 1. It all depends on the turn card and play (and ppl in the pot).

      For example, let's say the full stack calls and min raises the turn on a spade. Then I'd be ready to fold.