[NL2-NL10] NL4 fast JJ

    • SepOwnage
      SepOwnage
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      Villain has agression factor of 6 over 118 hands and vpip/pfr 10/8 so he is TAG, very tight. But he also is shortstacked.
      We have some preflop blindsteal play. I cbet the flop and turn but then get donked on the river. Is that a clear fold?


      PartyGaming - $0.04 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players

      SB: 85.25 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 11.80, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 164)
      Hero (BB): 221 BB

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J:diamond: J:club:

      fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 5 BB, SB calls 2 BB

      Flop: (10 BB, 2 players) 7:heart: Q:club: Q:diamond:
      SB checks, Hero bets 5 BB, SB calls 5 BB

      Turn: (20 BB, 2 players) 9:club:
      SB checks, Hero bets 11 BB, SB calls 11 BB

      River: (42 BB, 2 players) 8:club:
      SB bets 30 BB, Hero calls 30 BB

      SB shows 8:heart: 8:spade: (Full House, Eights full of Queens) (Pre 19%, Flop 8%, Turn 5%)
      Hero mucks J:diamond: J:club: (Two Pair, Queens and Jacks) (Pre 81%, Flop 92%, Turn 95%)
      SB wins 97 BB
  • 5 replies
    • cutegoldfish
      cutegoldfish
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      I wouldn't expect him to donk river as a bluff so I think usually it's for value and the worst hand we see here is Qx or better likeFull houses so I tthink it's a fold on the river.
    • Micholin21
      Micholin21
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      Is the size of 3bet preflop good? Maybe just call. We dont want to stack of with nit.
    • Riverdiver
      Riverdiver
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      Min 3betting is never good imo. I'd make it like 9x ip and maybe more oop.
    • Riverdiver
      Riverdiver
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      Min 3betting is never good imo. You're giving him odds to continue with his entire range, which is not what you want. I'd make it like 9x ip and maybe more oop.
    • cutegoldfish
      cutegoldfish
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      i think riverdiver is right, min3betting Pre Flop is not good because he we miss alot of value and encourages him to continue with a very wide range. 9X is fine but i prefer something like 8X to encourage him to call slightly wider. of course if you know he never folds to 3bets i would make it 10-11X here for max value immediately.

      although hes a nit i think when heads up and with his slightly shorter stack hes stacking off lighter maybe 99+ KQ+ and with JJ we have a profitable stack off.

      cgf