[NL20-NL50] AKs 3bet IP

    • GingerKid
      GingerKid
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      Joined: 05.08.2007 Posts: 5,530
      iPoker - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BB: 101 BB (VPIP: 18.95, PFR: 15.71, 3Bet Preflop: 5.81, Hands: 1,900)
      CO: 165.82 BB (VPIP: 18.36, PFR: 15.92, 3Bet Preflop: 6.65, Hands: 804)
      Hero (BTN): 325.28 BB
      SB: 106.94 BB (VPIP: 16.13, PFR: 6.45, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 31)

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K:spade: A:spade:

      fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, SB raises to 8 BB, fold, Hero calls 6 BB

      Flop: (17 BB, 2 players) K:club: 9:diamond: 7:spade:
      SB bets 9 BB, Hero calls 9 BB

      Turn: (35 BB, 2 players) J:spade:
      SB bets 22 BB, Hero calls 22 BB

      River: (79 BB, 2 players) T:diamond:
      SB bets 67.94 BB, Hero calls 67.94 BB

      Hero shows K:spade: A:spade: (One Pair, Kings) (Pre 71%, Flop 88%, Turn 98%)
      SB shows A:club: 9:club: (One Pair, Nines) (Pre 29%, Flop 12%, Turn 2%)
      Hero wins 210.88 BB


      iPoker - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      Hero (BB): 176.66 BB
      UTG: 92 BB (VPIP: 21.79, PFR: 17.62, 3Bet Preflop: 5.40, Hands: 2,457)
      MP: 96.5 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
      CO: 169.38 BB (VPIP: 16.50, PFR: 14.56, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 104)
      BTN: 23.18 BB (VPIP: 21.99, PFR: 11.56, 3Bet Preflop: 3.91, Hands: 1,680)
      SB: 79.58 BB (VPIP: 25.90, PFR: 22.63, 3Bet Preflop: 10.45, Hands: 1,284)

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A:diamond: K:heart:

      fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

      Flop: (6.5 BB, 2 players) 4:spade: T:diamond: K:club:
      Hero checks, CO bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB

      Turn: (14.5 BB, 2 players) J:diamond:
      Hero checks, CO bets 9 BB, Hero calls 9 BB

      River: (32.5 BB, 2 players) 8:club:
      Hero checks, CO bets 25 BB, Hero calls 25 BB

      Hero mucks A:diamond: K:heart: (One Pair, Kings) (Pre 75%, Flop 86%, Turn 16%)
      CO shows J:heart: K:spade: (Two Pair, Kings and Jacks) (Pre 25%, Flop 14%, Turn 84%)
      CO wins 78.38 BB

      Hand 1:


      Is it ok to call IP ? I wanted to keep in all his Ax, and if I 4bet he folds Ax most likely and if bluffs shove, I see only PP (rarely AQ, never weaker Ax).

      Fold river?


      I would like to post also hand2, because It is very similar.
      Should I 4bet deep? He folds 83% to 3bet, so I think he might call with PP for set value or continue QQ+, and it would be difficult to take value if I hit.

      Fold river on this board? I dont see what weaker could he bet on river?
  • 10 replies
    • mbml
      mbml
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      Why not? I think it's fine to slowplay AK sometimes, especially AKs and also vs nits.

      Slowplaying is also very good when villain has a high fold to 4bet.

      I would fold the River though. I think you have so many stronger hands in your range, and it's pretty suicidal to bluff that particular river. Think about it from your POV. You are perceived not to have AK. What else could you have? KQ/QTs/QJs/AQs/KJs, some 8X like T8s and a ton of two pairs.

      AK is the very bottom of your range on the River.
    • mbml
      mbml
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      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      You mean 3bet? If he has a very high fold to 3bet then I'll just make my 3bet range more bluff-heavy. But in general if there's some value in 3betting I'll just do it anyway.

      You should only be afraid of 3betting vs very tough opponents who will make your life miserable with some sick raises and multi-barreling. Vs straightforward opponents it should be pretty easy to play.
    • GingerKid
      GingerKid
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      Joined: 05.08.2007 Posts: 5,530
      Originally posted by mbml
      Why not? I think it's fine to slowplay AK sometimes, especially AKs and also vs nits.

      Slowplaying is also very good when villain has a high fold to 4bet.

      I would fold the River though. I think you have so many stronger hands in your range, and it's pretty suicidal to bluff that particular river. Think about it from your POV. You are perceived not to have AK. What else could you have? KQ/QTs/QJs/AQs/KJs, some 8X like T8s and a ton of two pairs.

      AK is the very bottom of your range on the River.
      Hand1:
      I agree about folding river. I just saw the board is very ugly, but didnt even notice that he has straight with Qx, 8x, so I win only vs total bluff, which is almost impossible on this board.
      Would you fold top two pair when he bets river? Or any set?
    • GingerKid
      GingerKid
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      Originally posted by mbml
      You mean 3bet? If he has a very high fold to 3bet then I'll just make my 3bet range more bluff-heavy. But in general if there's some value in 3betting I'll just do it anyway.

      You should only be afraid of 3betting vs very tough opponents who will make your life miserable with some sick raises and multi-barreling. Vs straightforward opponents it should be pretty easy to play.
      Hand2:

      Do you think that turn or river is fold? I think that turn could be a "tough" call and river fold? He wins with AQ, KJ, KT, JT, AA, JJ, TT, KK, and I win only vs total bluff as he had or KQ which he probably check/calls on turn or river since he also cant expect to be ahead.
      If he would check river, should I shove?

      Also to compare both hands, I think I should fold both hands on river, but hand1 is definite fold and uglier board, and hand2 I could think of calling because it is a 3bet pot where opponents are mostly more aggro 3 barreling as bluff?
    • mbml
      mbml
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      Originally posted by GingerKid
      Originally posted by mbml
      Why not? I think it's fine to slowplay AK sometimes, especially AKs and also vs nits.

      Slowplaying is also very good when villain has a high fold to 4bet.

      I would fold the River though. I think you have so many stronger hands in your range, and it's pretty suicidal to bluff that particular river. Think about it from your POV. You are perceived not to have AK. What else could you have? KQ/QTs/QJs/AQs/KJs, some 8X like T8s and a ton of two pairs.

      AK is the very bottom of your range on the River.
      Hand1:
      I agree about folding river. I just saw the board is very ugly, but didnt even notice that he has straight with Qx, 8x, so I win only vs total bluff, which is almost impossible on this board.
      Would you fold top two pair when he bets river? Or any set?
      I would have actually folded top two. I'm not folding 8X for sure, and sets are actually tough. I would have raised sets by the Turn, so I don't think I'm having any sets here.
    • mbml
      mbml
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      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      Originally posted by GingerKid
      Originally posted by mbml
      You mean 3bet? If he has a very high fold to 3bet then I'll just make my 3bet range more bluff-heavy. But in general if there's some value in 3betting I'll just do it anyway.

      You should only be afraid of 3betting vs very tough opponents who will make your life miserable with some sick raises and multi-barreling. Vs straightforward opponents it should be pretty easy to play.
      Hand2:

      Do you think that turn or river is fold? I think that turn could be a "tough" call and river fold? He wins with AQ, KJ, KT, JT, AA, JJ, TT, KK, and I win only vs total bluff as he had or KQ which he probably check/calls on turn or river since he also cant expect to be ahead.
      If he would check river, should I shove?

      Also to compare both hands, I think I should fold both hands on river, but hand1 is definite fold and uglier board, and hand2 I could think of calling because it is a 3bet pot where opponents are mostly more aggro 3 barreling as bluff?
      This is tough. I think this nit never fires river with KQ, so KQ = AK. I would not fold Turn for sure, but River could be a fold. Requires more reads on river barreling frequencies which you did not provide. We have Ad which blocks potential 3barrels. I think folding is fine vs a nit, I don't think you are getting bluffed too often.
    • GingerKid
      GingerKid
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      Originally posted by mbml
      Originally posted by GingerKid
      Originally posted by mbml
      You mean 3bet? If he has a very high fold to 3bet then I'll just make my 3bet range more bluff-heavy. But in general if there's some value in 3betting I'll just do it anyway.

      You should only be afraid of 3betting vs very tough opponents who will make your life miserable with some sick raises and multi-barreling. Vs straightforward opponents it should be pretty easy to play.
      Hand2:

      Do you think that turn or river is fold? I think that turn could be a "tough" call and river fold? He wins with AQ, KJ, KT, JT, AA, JJ, TT, KK, and I win only vs total bluff as he had or KQ which he probably check/calls on turn or river since he also cant expect to be ahead.
      If he would check river, should I shove?

      Also to compare both hands, I think I should fold both hands on river, but hand1 is definite fold and uglier board, and hand2 I could think of calling because it is a 3bet pot where opponents are mostly more aggro 3 barreling as bluff?
      This is tough. I think this nit never fires river with KQ, so KQ = AK. I would not fold Turn for sure, but River could be a fold. Requires more reads on river barreling frequencies which you did not provide. We have Ad which blocks potential 3barrels. I think folding is fine vs a nit, I don't think you are getting bluffed too often.
      I didn't provide his barrel tendencies because I have only 100 hands on him, so I think it is not enough stat to rely on.
      How do you conclude that he is a nitt? Is it because of his low VPIP/PFR stat? Does it mean that if somebody is nitt preflop, that he is mostly nitt postflop? This guy is obviously loose aggresive postflop when he 3 barrels on this board where I hit so often, and he is nitt preflop.
    • mbml
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      that's true most of the time. Preflop tendencies -> Postflop tendencies. There are some exceptions but without too much reads I'll probably stick with this read.

      Did hand 1 occurred before hand 2? if we had this read that he's making some spazzy pure air barrels I actually think that the call is fine on the river.

      but is it vs the same opponent? I don't think so right?
    • GingerKid
      GingerKid
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      Originally posted by mbml
      that's true most of the time. Preflop tendencies -> Postflop tendencies. There are some exceptions but without too much reads I'll probably stick with this read.

      Did hand 1 occurred before hand 2? if we had this read that he's making some spazzy pure air barrels I actually think that the call is fine on the river.

      but is it vs the same opponent? I don't think so right?
      It was different opponent. I post both hands together because they are very similar.
    • mbml
      mbml
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      Ah ok, then I'll fold in hand 2 then. Honestly hand 1 is a super rare occurrence for this player type. You got really lucky here with the spewy call.