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[NL20-NL50] NL50 KK spot pre flop

    • double2
      double2
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      Joined: 04.11.2008 Posts: 14,642
      Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      BTN: $47.75 (95.5 bb)
      SB: $84.84 (169.7 bb)
      Hero (BB): $56.59 (113.2 bb)
      UTG: $47.10 (94.2 bb)
      MP: $50.75 (101.5 bb)
      CO: $55.09 (110.2 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with K K
      UTG raises to $1.25, MP raises to $4.50, 3 folds,

      UTG 1.1k hands
      43/25/6.8%
      open UTG 20%
      fold to 3bet 30%

      MP 16k hands
      26/20/6.7%
      3bet MP 4.1%
      fold to 4bet 40%

      What's best, cold call or cold 4bet? The thing is, I don't see myself bluffing a lot in this spot.
  • 7 replies
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      Joined: 02.01.2010 Posts: 13,909
      Hey,

      Both actions will seem quite strong but whenyou flat, you let either of them ship it in with AK, QQ while if you cold 4bet I think those hands can fold and you end up stacking vs KK+ which is not what you want when you have KK. :)
    • double2
      double2
      Bronze
      Joined: 04.11.2008 Posts: 14,642
      Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      BTN: $47.75 (95.5 bb)
      SB: $84.84 (169.7 bb)
      Hero (BB): $56.59 (113.2 bb)
      UTG: $47.10 (94.2 bb)
      MP: $50.75 (101.5 bb)
      CO: $55.09 (110.2 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with K K
      UTG raises to $1.25, MP raises to $4.50, 3 folds, Hero calls $4, UTG calls $3.25

      Flop: ($13.75) T 7 3 (3 players)
      Hero checks, UTG checks, MP bets $13,

      And the adventure continues!
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      Sick sizing... Well.. Calling makes the most sense.. Very often I say ship because he is commited and you see a fold. Call flop and call turn imo.. I would not find a fold here ever.
    • double2
      double2
      Bronze
      Joined: 04.11.2008 Posts: 14,642
      Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      BTN: $47.75 (95.5 bb)
      SB: $84.84 (169.7 bb)
      Hero (BB): $56.59 (113.2 bb)
      UTG: $47.10 (94.2 bb)
      MP: $50.75 (101.5 bb)
      CO: $55.09 (110.2 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with K K
      UTG raises to $1.25, MP raises to $4.50, 3 folds, Hero calls $4, UTG calls $3.25

      Flop: ($13.75) T 7 3 (3 players)
      Hero checks, UTG checks, MP bets $13, Hero calls $13, UTG raises to $42.60 and is all-in, MP raises to $46.25 and is all-in,

      And the plot thickens...
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      Joined: 02.01.2010 Posts: 13,909
      *blarf*

      Time to bring out some tools..


      Board: T:club: 7:club: 3:diamond:
             Equity     Win     Tie
      MP2    70.10%  70.10%   0.00% { TT, 77, AcQc, AcJc, 9c8c }
      MP3    14.32%  13.69%   0.63% { QQ+, AcQc, AcJc }
      BB     15.58%  14.95%   0.63% { KhKc }



      Let me know if I missed something.. looks like a fold to me but notice that we need about 25% only to call so you don't need them to have loads of worse hands in their range.
    • double2
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      I think it's more like this, but still a fold...



      Board: T:club: 7:club: 3:diamond:
             Equity     Win     Tie
      MP2    18.66%  18.17%   0.49% { KhKc }
      MP3    20.69%  20.20%   0.49% { TT+, AcQc, AcJc }
      CO     60.65%  60.65%   0.01% { TT, 77, 33, AcQc, AcJc, QcJc, Ac9c, 9c8s }



      Bleh, I called, UTG had QcJc and MP AA.
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      Yeah, not a huge difference between them because what matters most is our equity against both of them, we don't have a big enough of a side pot to warrant more breaking down of them so we definitely have <20% which ofc is bad..