[NL20-NL50] AA against aggressive

    • Gonchan
      Gonchan
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      Prima, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      UTG: $56.01 (112 bb)
      MP: $56.76 (113.5 bb)
      Hero (CO): $58.80 (117.6 bb)
      BTN: $29.32 (58.6 bb)
      SB: $74.83 (149.7 bb)
      BB: $50.58 (101.2 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with A A
      2 folds, Hero raises to $1.25, BTN folds, SB raises to $4.25, BB folds, Hero calls $3

      Flop: ($9) Q 3 Q (2 players)
      SB bets $4.50, Hero calls $4.50

      Turn: ($18) 5 (2 players)
      SB bets $9.50, Hero calls $9.50

      River: ($37) 8 (2 players)
      SB bets $56.58 and is all-in, Hero calls $40.55 and is all-in

      Results:
      $118.10 pot ($3 rake)
      Final Board: Q 3 Q 5 8
      Hero showed A A and lost (-$58.80 net)
      SB showed Q K and won $115.10 ($56.30 net)


      30/18/80 3bet 20 against hero 40 cb 3b pot 100 (3)

      against this villain, I thought call his 3b would better than 4b because his flop aggression.

      after flop, there was another play line?
  • 5 replies
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      Joined: 02.01.2010 Posts: 13,897
      Hey,

      When he 3bets so wide, you probably miss out on value by not 4betting. That would be my first comment.

      Then, postflop is fine up until river.

      The problem there is that you forget one of the most obvious tells: overbet = strong value hand. That is still a solid tell up to NL100 imo. Rarely you see someone actually bluff and it's usually that they are bluffing when their rangeis capped so then it becomes easier to call. Here, his range is not capped and he is overbetting.. just fold imo.
    • Gonchan
      Gonchan
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      I want to know why I miss out value by not 4betting.

      When should I call with AA?

      Tight 3bet range? loose 3 bet range?
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      Joined: 02.01.2010 Posts: 13,897
      Usually, when someone 3bets often, they expect people to play back at them with 4bets so they flat to 4bets quite often and also ship it wider than average (more than QQ+, AK for sure). That means you already get more value than against a standard player.

      Next, if your opponent is not super spewy postflop, there's no benefit to just flatting imo. If you flat you want to force mistakes postflop and if you don't have an opponent that spewes into you, a calling station will prob just not fold preflop enough to warrant keeping the pot smaller preflop.

      Finally, you also need to think of the dynamic you are creating. If you don't 4bet AA preflop, do you 4bet anything? If so, what? How does that do against your opponents 5bet or 4bet call range? How does not 4betting AA affect your flatting and 4betting range?
    • Gonchan
      Gonchan
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      Hmm, so there is no villain(loose or tight) which I should call 3bet with AA?
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      There are some such spots.

      When your opponent 3bets a medium frequency (good value/bluff ratio, so you don't own him by 4betting) you might want to change your whole plan of 4betting vs 3bets.

      When your opponent plays very well against 4bets you should rething if you should 4bet anything when 100bb deep. There are also cases when you want to call because he spews more postflop but that's an isolated scenario that is based on a very specific read.