[NL20-NL50] JJ ch/r

    • GingerKid
      GingerKid
      Black
      Joined: 05.08.2007 Posts: 5,530
      iPoker - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 22.62, PFR: 19.19, 3Bet Preflop: 7.63, Hands: 2,414)
      Hero (UTG): 119.86 BB
      CO: 58.88 BB (VPIP: 17.44, PFR: 11.86, 3Bet Preflop: 2.53, Hands: 448)
      BTN: 38.74 BB (VPIP: 43.75, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
      SB: 377.28 BB (VPIP: 24.83, PFR: 16.55, 3Bet Preflop: 5.66, Hands: 150)

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J:club: J:spade:

      Hero raises to 3 BB, CO calls 3 BB, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, fold

      Flop: (10 BB, 3 players) 5:spade: 6:diamond: 2:diamond:
      SB checks, Hero bets 6 BB, CO calls 6 BB, fold

      Turn: (22 BB, 2 players) 8:spade:
      Hero checks, CO bets 11 BB, Hero raises to 110.86 BB and is all-in, CO calls 38.88 BB

      River: (121.76 BB, 2 players) K:spade:

      Hero shows J:club: J:spade: (One Pair, Jacks) (Pre 68%, Flop 52%, Turn 68%)
      CO shows 8:diamond: A:diamond: (One Pair, Eights) (Pre 32%, Flop 48%, Turn 32%)
      Hero wins 115.76 BB


      Is it ok to check raise turn? Maybe he calls 99,TT, QQ+ he probably 3bets and he could call draws.
  • 3 replies
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      Hi.

      The theory behind the Turn checkraise is that you need your opponent to be calling Flop really wide, and then betting the Turn really wide as well.

      So we would need a few conditions in order to make this play good
      Flop contains many draws - This is a low board so this makes this play worse in this exact situation. I would prefer the board to be 3 cards higher (8 9 5)
      He needs to have a low Fold to Flop cbet and a higher Turn aggression
      I prefer the Turn card not to coordinate the board. Now he could often pick up showdown value with 78/89 and may check back on the Turn.
    • GingerKid
      GingerKid
      Black
      Joined: 05.08.2007 Posts: 5,530
      Originally posted by mbml
      Hi.

      The theory behind the Turn checkraise is that you need your opponent to be calling Flop really wide, and then betting the Turn really wide as well.

      So we would need a few conditions in order to make this play good
      Flop contains many draws - This is a low board so this makes this play worse in this exact situation. I would prefer the board to be 3 cards higher (8 9 5)
      He needs to have a low Fold to Flop cbet and a higher Turn aggression
      I prefer the Turn card not to coordinate the board. Now he could often pick up showdown value with 78/89 and may check back on the Turn.
      I get your point. What if average player is almost never checking behind with fd, or top pair like on this board? I almost never have scenario in 2bet pot bet flop check check turn. I guess people try to protect their hand each time, or try to take the pot down with draws.
      So knowing this, is it ok to c/r and make him almost comitted? If I bet bet bet fd calls only 2 times.
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      I think people are often more passive on double flush boards cos turn checkraises come more often. I don't like giving him the opportunity to take pot control lines. And we are also barreling our draws here usually so I prefer just to bet most hands here.

      I disagree with you about the average player not checking behind on this Turn cos I think many players would do so.