[NL20-NL50] QTs vs 3bet

    • GingerKid
      GingerKid
      Black
      Joined: 05.08.2007 Posts: 5,569
      iPoker - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BB: 197.16 BB (VPIP: 18.36, PFR: 13.73, 3Bet Preflop: 5.12, Hands: 939)
      CO: 111 BB (VPIP: 28.51, PFR: 24.68, 3Bet Preflop: 10.26, Hands: 731)
      Hero (BTN): 104.2 BB
      SB: 50.54 BB (VPIP: 24.25, PFR: 22.42, 3Bet Preflop: 12.33, Hands: 2,179)

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q:diamond: T:diamond:

      fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, SB raises to 6 BB, fold, Hero calls 4 BB

      Flop: (13 BB, 2 players) T:club: 5:club: 2:club:
      SB bets 5 BB, Hero raises to 12 BB, SB raises to 44.54 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 32.54 BB

      Turn: (102.08 BB, 2 players) 7:spade:

      River: (102.08 BB, 2 players) 8:heart:

      Hero shows Q:diamond: T:diamond: (One Pair, Tens) (Pre 47%, Flop 54%, Turn 70%)
      SB shows A:club: 7:diamond: (One Pair, Sevens) (Pre 53%, Flop 46%, Turn 30%)
      Hero wins 98.08 BB


      He drives me crazy. plays almost always when I play and makes me trouble. his 3bet size is 12%, vs bu 24%, but vs me he 3bets almost each time, and whenever I try to 4bet/call or call postflop he is mostly better. So is this hand ok to call 3bet? Also whenever I raise him he snap shoves or if I call he bet bet shove so it is generally hard to play with medium hands.

      Is it ok to open tighter from BU vs him and 4bet/call avoid playing postflop? Or call 3bet and raise/call when I hit?

      This is just another example of the same guy. What range would you suggest vs him from BU? and which hands to 4bet/call and which to call 3bet?


      iPoker - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BB: 41.26 BB (VPIP: 24.25, PFR: 22.42, 3Bet Preflop: 12.33, Hands: 2,179)
      CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 27.55, PFR: 22.27, 3Bet Preflop: 7.89, Hands: 720)
      Hero (BTN): 242.72 BB
      SB: 103 BB (VPIP: 36.73, PFR: 10.45, 3Bet Preflop: 2.39, Hands: 867)

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A:club: T:diamond:

      fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, SB calls 1.5 BB, BB raises to 6 BB, Hero calls 4 BB, fold

      Flop: (14 BB, 2 players) 9:heart: A:diamond: 4:spade:
      BB bets 7.5 BB, Hero raises to 15 BB, BB raises to 35.26 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 20.26 BB

      Turn: (84.52 BB, 2 players) 8:club:

      River: (84.52 BB, 2 players) J:spade:

      BB shows Q:club: A:spade: (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 73%, Flop 86%, Turn 93%)
      Hero mucks A:club: T:diamond: (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 27%, Flop 14%, Turn 7%)
      BB wins 80.52 BB
  • 4 replies
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,698
      Hi.

      Preflop: Really standard call here, QTs is faring really well and plays really well vs a wide 3bet range, even better when he is short.

      Flop: I don't like raising. I prefer just calling down on blank runouts, by raising here you just isolate yourself vs AcX, maybe KcX and sets + stronger QX + overpairs.

      About your preflop range - Vs such a guy in the blinds, tighten your BU opening range to 40-45% and then you can rape him after that with a ton of light 4bet pushes with AX, 22+ (20% range which is almost half of your entire opening range) and you can even defend the other broadways like KQ/KJ and stack off when you hit top pair.
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,698
      What's his squeezing range here?

      In my opinion these short stackers squeeze way tighter than they 3bet, and if they squeeze light they usually jam (but that's mainly vs 3bb opens). Min raising is a lot different since the dead money in the pot is a lot lesser.

      However I think AT is probably way too strong to fold, so I don't mind the call since the squeeze is kind of small. I see no point in raising Flop though - We hardly rep any bluffs. Do you bluff raise on AXXr boards?
    • GingerKid
      GingerKid
      Black
      Joined: 05.08.2007 Posts: 5,569
      Originally posted by mbml
      What's his squeezing range here?

      In my opinion these short stackers squeeze way tighter than they 3bet, and if they squeeze light they usually jam (but that's mainly vs 3bb opens). Min raising is a lot different since the dead money in the pot is a lot lesser.

      However I think AT is probably way too strong to fold, so I don't mind the call since the squeeze is kind of small. I see no point in raising Flop though - We hardly rep any bluffs. Do you bluff raise on AXXr boards?
      Well, I did try few hands ago to bluff raise him (2 times in a row) with the same size as here, and he snap shoved. The reason for raising is to induce shove. I rarely saw him folding. When he invests money on postflop he is not foldnig anymore.
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,698
      Ok if you have aggro raising dynamics then I think it's fine to minraise this.