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[NL20-NL50] NL50 SH - AKo: turn 3bet pot

    • Lunitis
      Lunitis
      Bronze
      Joined: 22.02.2009 Posts: 20,136
      19/16
      2.8 af
      20% OR CO
      57% fold vs 3bet (60% CO
      8/10 fold vs hero 3bet
      33% fold vs cbet flop 3bp
      48% fold vs cbet turn 3bp
      33% wtsd
      46% wwsf
      36k hands

      Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      UTG: $49.75 (99.5 bb)
      MP: $64.19 (128.4 bb)
      CO: $44.98 (90 bb)
      BTN: $20 (40 bb)
      Hero (SB): $98.50 (197 bb)
      BB: $62.12 (124.2 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with A K
      2 folds, CO raises to $1.25, BTN folds, Hero raises to $4.50, BB folds, CO calls $3.25

      Flop: ($9.50) A 4 6 (2 players)
      Hero bets $5, CO calls $5

      Turn: ($19.50) J (2 players)
      Hero ?
  • 10 replies
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,779
      Hi.

      I dont think our hand is strong enough to value bet 3 streets so we can take some different lines.

      1. Check flop and call down or bet turn and rivr when checked to.
      2. Bet twice and cf river - dont think he would have too many busted draws
    • Lunitis
      Lunitis
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      Joined: 22.02.2009 Posts: 20,136
      1. Check flop and call down or bet turn and rivr when checked to.


      Fold if :heart: shows up?
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,779
      Yep, we would cc any though, assuming villain is aggro enough to turn hands into bluffs.
    • Lunitis
      Lunitis
      Bronze
      Joined: 22.02.2009 Posts: 20,136
      Pretty nice line :)
    • pokerferrer
      pokerferrer
      Bronze
      Joined: 05.03.2008 Posts: 6,347
      And how check-calling flop balanced in this spot? For me it's just bet-calling each street for 100bb in 3bet pot - standart balanced line for value.
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,779
      Firstly i dont see how balance is all that important. Secondly i will have hands like K:hK in my cc range so my opponent cannot just barrel 3 streets all the time. If the heart hits i will have some flushes in my range still. If no heart hits i would just cc 3 streets w AQ and AK.

      Bet calling 100bb is overplay vs a ton of opponents (passive fish and straightforward TAGs). I suggest u measure your flop equity vs a range of sets, twopairs and some X:hX type of hand with a one card flushdraw but dont give too many of those combos cos we are being pessimistic with our range estimations since passive fish and straigtforward tags arent raising the turn light too often.
    • Yozan
      Yozan
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      Joined: 01.01.2010 Posts: 2,181
      • 23.04.2013, 00:00
      • This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by Yozan: 23.04.2013 00:01.
      Let's say he have a fish in the hand,who def calls wide 3b,and ofc doesn't like to fold.
      Aren't u considering value here betting BIG OTF with basicly THE NUTS,and overbet shove any non :heart: river?

      JUst asking,because I can't believe a fish will ever fold 10 :heart: + FD ever especially with a pair
    • pokerferrer
      pokerferrer
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      Joined: 05.03.2008 Posts: 6,347
      • 23.04.2013, 04:36
      • This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by pokerferrer: 23.04.2013 04:45.
      About balance: KxK here is the same as AK without hearts, it is not a balance. Which means we have never flushes in our check-calling range, which means opponents can easily bluff us out.
      Anyway it is always bet flop at least. Mb check-call turn. But check-calling flop is awful in my opinion.
      And we don't care here about sets or 2 pairs because we have protected our hand preflop, opponent can't call profitably preflop on distance, so we don't fear this type of hands.
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,779
      Originally posted by Yozan
      Let's say he have a fish in the hand,who def calls wide 3b,and ofc doesn't like to fold.
      Aren't u considering value here betting BIG OTF with basicly THE NUTS,and overbet shove any non :heart: river?

      JUst asking,because I can't believe a fish will ever fold 10 :heart: + FD ever especially with a pair
      I would prefer to bet/fold 3 streets, if he raises at any point in time, it's a snap fold for me.
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,779
      Originally posted by pokerferrer
      About balance: KxK here is the same as AK without hearts, it is not a balance. Which means we have never flushes in our check-calling range, which means opponents can easily bluff us out.
      Anyway it is always bet flop at least. Mb check-call turn. But check-calling flop is awful in my opinion.
      And we don't care here about sets or 2 pairs because we have protected our hand preflop, opponent can't call profitably preflop on distance, so we don't fear this type of hands.
      I'm not sure why you think KK with a is the same as AK. KK with a heart allows us to bluff catch on Turns or Rivers. AK is a hand which I am going to c/c down if there are no hearts.

      So your worry about being bluffed out of the hand is unfounded. Doesn't matter if we rarely have flushes in our range here - if we are not folding TPTK for 3 streets, then he cannot bluff out 100% of our range and we are not super exploitable in this sense.