[NL2-NL10] NL 50 - Any chance of folding KK preflop?

    • karel0050
      Joined: 13.11.2007 Posts: 11
      $0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
      6 players
      Converted at weaktight.com

      UTG d0uchebag ($42.50)
      UTG 1 jrwells0311 ($87.20)
      CO Muljinho ($46.35)
      BTN Hero ($45.25)
      SB SimpsonHJ ($50.75)
      BB nusshörnchen ($49.75)

      Pre-flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is BTN K:spade: K:club:
      1 fold, jrwells0311 calls $0.50, Muljinho raises to $2, Hero raises to $7, 2 folds, jrwells0311 raises to $37.50, Muljinho goes all-in $46.35, Hero goes all-in $38.25, jrwells0311 calls $8.85

      Flop: 3:heart: J:spade: 2:diamond: ($138.70, 3 players)

      Turn: 2:heart: ($138.70, 3 players)

      River: 8:heart: ($138.70, 3 players)

      Final Pot: $138.70
      Hero shows: K:spade: K:club:
      jrwells0311 shows: T:diamond: T:heart:
      Muljinho shows: A:heart: A:spade:

      Muljinho wins $135.70 ( won $89.35 )
      Hero lost -$45.25
      jrwells0311 lost -$46.35
  • 4 replies
    • gggeorgio
      Joined: 05.09.2007 Posts: 494
      i don't think you can ever fold kk... there are just too many players that will gladly push AK,QQ,JJ.
    • Hellrabbit
      Joined: 30.01.2007 Posts: 54
      PFAI with KK is definitely +EV. Even more so because it's 6max :p
    • GrantJennings
      Joined: 31.07.2008 Posts: 232
      KK? In the muck? Preflop? Could you see the bullets in his pocket? He might just have been happy to see you, you know.

      ...Only with some crazy strong read on your opponent, or if you were playing with money that was set aside for your Grandmother's surgery, yeah, might fold KK then. Here, because there are two fellas pushing at this pot, I'd say the chances that one of them holds AA is pretty good, but not good enough to fold KK without a strong read that one of them is a total rock.

      Total cooler. For you, not the TT. That hand should be in the muck, as far as I'm concerned. TT should call your $7 threebet, then fold to the push... it was a neat trick he was trying to pull, limping then pushing, as if he had AA. Totally picked the wrong time though. That play might work in situations where it's a three bet, but not a four bet: someone'll call you down, someone with JJ+.
    • Kaitz20
      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      Hi karel0050,
      Welcome to the NL forum

      utg could easily hold here small pp, so I don´t worry about him having aces.
      co all-in worries a lot more. Not sure if goes all-in with QQ or AK (he would probably fold AK), but without any reads I can´t fold here KK.

      Good luck at the tables,