[NL20-NL50] CO KJ vs 3bet

    • jazzy29
      jazzy29
      Silver
      Joined: 06.11.2012 Posts: 308
      Button ($26.91) 16/11 3bet=13,5% fold23bet=100% @96hands
      SB ($24.65)
      BB ($17.06)
      UTG ($21.86)
      MP ($32.49)
      Hero (CO) ($26.84)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with K, J
      2 folds, Hero bets $0.62, Button raises to $2, 2 folds, Hero raises to $5, Button calls $3

      Flop: ($10.35) 4, 7, 5 (2 players)
      Hero checks, Button bets $6.50, Hero folds

      Total pot: $10.35 | Rake: $0.47

      I thought villains 3bet is a little to large, that's why I chose to 4bet in this spot. When the flop comes I don't see any reason to cbet against his 4B-callingrange. Do you think my play makes sense?
  • 5 replies
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
      Basic
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Hi Jazzy,

      Preflop: Do you normally open just 2.5x in the CO? Or just with tighter looking guys? Villains 3-bet range can be really wide given our open size and that we know he's 3-bet a bit so far.

      Postflop: I think that we should cbet between 1/3-1/2 pot to get overcards to fold which are part of his range.

      What calling range do you have him on?
    • jazzy29
      jazzy29
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      Joined: 06.11.2012 Posts: 308
      Yes, i always openraise the same way which is:
      UTG 3,5
      MP 3
      CO 2,5
      BU 2
      SB 3

      I think his range looks like 55+, AQ+, I don't want to make it to lose, because it's a 4bet and not a 3bet, so maybe sometimes he can hold AJs, KQs as well, but he shouldn't, so I don't calculate with those.

      So these are 92hands, ok maybe he don't hold KK+ so 80hands , 48(paires) of them will push against my cbet as well as his 2 flushdraws and I'll be behind. 30 hands should fold against a cbet.

      So a cbet bluff is very expensive in this spot and it is not sucessfull that often, why should we cbet up to 2/3 potsize here?

      Maybe I got just the wrong approach, I'm really looking forward to your response!!! :f_p:
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
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      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Originally posted by jazzy29
      Yes, i always openraise the same way which is:
      UTG 3,5
      MP 3
      CO 2,5
      BU 2
      SB 3

      I think his range looks like 55+, AQ+, I don't want to make it to lose, because it's a 4bet and not a 3bet, so maybe sometimes he can hold AJs, KQs as well, but he shouldn't, so I don't calculate with those.

      So these are 92hands, ok maybe he don't hold KK+ so 80hands , 48(paires) of them will push against my cbet as well as his 2 flushdraws and I'll be behind. 30 hands should fold against a cbet.

      So a cbet bluff is very expensive in this spot and it is not sucessfull that often, why should we cbet up to 2/3 potsize here?

      Maybe I got just the wrong approach, I'm really looking forward to your response!!! :f_p:
      Why would you cbet up to 2/3 pot size?

      It's a 4-bet pot so a small 1/3-1/2 (as mentioned above) should do the trick vs the hands you want him to fold. For example 1/2 pot bet has to work 33% of the time.

      I also think that giving him pairs like 55-88 for example may be a bit of stretch because he did 3-bet preflop and not many guys 3-bet those hands even against 2.5x raises.

      I also think that AJs/KQs are more likely than some of the pairs.
    • jazzy29
      jazzy29
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      Joined: 06.11.2012 Posts: 308
      ok, I read you wrote 2/3, 1/3 makes more sense,... ok I think you are right so maybe next time in the same spot I just bet like $4,5. Probably I was a little scared as well, ... my flop cbet in 3bet pots is 80% and I always bet 50-60% pot, but a 4bet pot just a new world for me :)
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
      Basic
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Originally posted by jazzy29
      ok, I read you wrote 2/3, 1/3 makes more sense,... ok I think you are right so maybe next time in the same spot I just bet like $4,5. Probably I was a little scared as well, ... my flop cbet in 3bet pots is 80% and I always bet 50-60% pot, but a 4bet pot just a new world for me :)
      Normally you don't play many 4-bet pots because people either fold or 5-bet. However, when you start raising smaller and get 3-bet smaller the 4-bets will be smaller as well which will result in more calls.