[NL20-NL50] KK 3bet ch raise

    • GingerKid
      GingerKid
      Black
      Joined: 05.08.2007 Posts: 5,530
      iPoker - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      Hero (BB): 110.08 BB
      CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 11)
      BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 21.42, PFR: 18.14, 3Bet Preflop: 8.40, Hands: 1,985)
      SB: 28.9 BB (VPIP: 26.03, PFR: 4.11, 3Bet Preflop: 3.57, Hands: 76)

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K:spade: K:diamond:

      fold, BTN raises to 2.5 BB, fold, Hero raises to 8 BB, BTN calls 5.5 BB

      Flop: (16.5 BB, 2 players) 9:club: J:heart: 5:diamond:
      Hero checks, BTN bets 10 BB, Hero raises to 23 BB, BTN calls 13 BB

      Turn: (62.5 BB, 2 players) T:spade:
      Hero checks, BTN bets 36 BB, Hero raises to 79.08 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 33 BB

      River: (200.5 BB, 2 players) 9:heart:

      Hero shows K:spade: K:diamond: (Two Pair, Kings and Nines) (Pre 71%, Flop 85%, Turn 80%)
      BTN shows Q:club: A:spade: (One Pair, Nines) (Pre 29%, Flop 15%, Turn 20%)
      Hero wins 196.5 BB




      Hand2:



      iPoker - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      Hero (BB): 131.18 BB
      UTG: 49.72 BB (VPIP: 30.34, PFR: 30.34, 3Bet Preflop: 7.55, Hands: 154)
      CO: 149.6 BB (VPIP: 21.51, PFR: 18.15, 3Bet Preflop: 7.46, Hands: 4,393)
      BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 21.45, PFR: 18.17, 3Bet Preflop: 8.52, Hands: 1,987)
      SB: 92.5 BB (VPIP: 25.69, PFR: 17.43, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 117)

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K:diamond: A:diamond:

      fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

      Flop: (6.5 BB, 2 players) K:club: 2:heart: 2:spade:
      Hero checks, CO bets 5.5 BB, Hero raises to 13 BB, CO raises to 28 BB, Hero calls 15 BB

      Turn: (62.5 BB, 2 players) T:diamond:
      Hero checks, CO checks

      River: (62.5 BB, 2 players) 3:diamond:
      Hero bets 31.24 BB, fold

      Hero shows K:diamond: A:diamond: (Two Pair, Kings and Twos)
      Hero wins 59.38 BB


      I tried to take unlogical lines with my value bets, and it seems that people see it as bluff. I mean raised in both hands because I expected them to float. Now when they see it is not a bluff, could I use it as bluff in future?

      Do you think I could balance this somehow? I dont plan to use it too often, but to use it from time to time to confuse people.
  • 4 replies
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      Flop: With regards to the Flop check/raise, I think it's fine if there were a flush draw on the Flop. When it's rainbow I prefer just betting out. You should expect to get floated a ton and you can either bet the Turn (standard line) or check/push the Turn (to get more aggressive dead money from his straight draws). Can be balanced by checkraising some draws and some backdoor hands.

      I guess he decided to float with AQ high which is a little too loose IMO unless you are well known for being aggro on the Flop.
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      I'll probably just 3bet this preflop, but I think it's fine to flat this and then check/raise Flops with TPTK.

      In general, we shouldn't really have a raising range on dry Flops because you can't rep much but you could argue that since villain's range is going to be really wide for cbet bluffing dry flops, you can also re-attack dry flops as well.

      I like your play here if villain is the disbelieving type of player (low Fold Flop cbet vs raise of <45%) which seemed to be the case here.

      I probably prefer doing it on a board with slightly more draws though, like K 9 4
    • GingerKid
      GingerKid
      Black
      Joined: 05.08.2007 Posts: 5,530
      Originally posted by mbml
      I'll probably just 3bet this preflop, but I think it's fine to flat this and then check/raise Flops with TPTK.

      In general, we shouldn't really have a raising range on dry Flops because you can't rep much but you could argue that since villain's range is going to be really wide for cbet bluffing dry flops, you can also re-attack dry flops as well.

      I like your play here if villain is the disbelieving type of player (low Fold Flop cbet vs raise of <45%) which seemed to be the case here.

      I probably prefer doing it on a board with slightly more draws though, like K 9 4

      I usually call AK vs utg and vs tight MP mostly IP and suited, but I also call vs other positions if villian folds around 80% to 3bet, and bluffs 4bet occasionally, we are deep, so it would be a tough spot if he 4bets. I would also do it with QQ, JJ. Is it ok?
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      that's fine, though it's your job to abuse him so hard until he starts defending wider. Then you can resume 3betting AK and QQ/JJ for value.