[NL2-NL10] nl2 pf QQ vs 4bet

    • TobZero
      Joined: 03.01.2013 Posts: 68
      Hey guys,

      i need your help on a general problem i have in EP with top range hands.
      The following szenario and hand happens quite often, i picked this hand as its a very good example of the overall flow.

      Im playing nl2 zoom for volume and training ABC poker. At Zoom tables you face quite a lot of very tight players in the 5/5 to 10/10 range and i already adjusted my 3betting range vs those players ep raises.

      Right now im struggling a bit to narrow my 4bet calling range.

      The majority of those hands are played vs 20-60hand data villians.
      He is 7/3/1.5 but with only 30 hands i assume hes probably 10-15/5-10 like so many rocks there.

      called 4bet here because not enough hands to really know if he only plays premium hands and i have ~48% equity vs JJ+, AQs+, AKo and we are both deep, if i would adjust his range a bit more and take out JJ from his 4bet range im still at 40% and calling the 4bet is for 30% potodds.

      Here im not sure anymore if the call made any sense, but here is what i thought: Without AJ in his range i assumed that AA and KK had me beat while i beat AKo/AKs/AQs/AQo making it 2 to 4 hands.
      When i called i planed to fold to any A or K on turn/river and call down anything else.

      obvious fold as now im beat by AK/AA/KK and all i beat is AQ.

      Now the big question:
      Could i have gotten away from this before?
      #1 fold to pf 4bet from an assumed very tight player in UTG?
      #2 3bet smaller here like 2x or 2.5x to get a cheaper flop if he 4bets?
      #3 im quite sure cold calling is equally as bad as folding the hand right away


      Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      BTN: $1.51 (75.5 bb)
      SB: $2.89 (144.5 bb)
      BB: $2 (100 bb)
      UTG+1: $4.18 (209 bb)
      Hero (UTG+2): $5.36 (268 bb)
      MP1: $2.04 (102 bb)
      MP2: $2.03 (101.5 bb)
      MP3: $2 (100 bb)
      CO: $0.76 (38 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with Q Q
      UTG+1 raises to $0.08, Hero raises to $0.25, 7 folds, UTG+1 raises to $0.62, Hero calls $0.37

      Flop: ($1.27) 4 J 2 (2 players)
      UTG+1 bets $0.98, Hero calls $0.98

      Turn: ($3.23) K (2 players)
      UTG+1 bets $2.58 and is all-in, Hero folds
  • 3 replies
    • mbml
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694

      Preflop: A nit is not 4betting JJ and AK and QQ in my opinion. Also, if he was so nitty, then you shouldn't 3bet in the first place. Just flat and play in position. By 3betting you are just isolating yourself vs the upper end of his range.

      Basically you put yourself into an ugly spot for no good reason. If you think this guy is playing something like 10/8, his opening range from UTG is going to be like 5% (TT+,AQ+) and QQ is not even a huge favourite vs this range.
    • TobZero
      Joined: 03.01.2013 Posts: 68
      Are 30 hands enough to assume hes a nit and only 4bets AA/KK in EP?

      I always think that its quite possible to be carddead over 20hands and than stats arent accurate anymore..
    • mbml
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      Well I wouldn't even 3bet QQ here as my default play, and the stats further reinforce that so I think this is a clear-cut call preflop.

      Even vs a 10% opening range, you are not getting too much value when villain folds all his 77/88/99/AQ/KQ type of hands vs your 3bet.