[NL20-NL50] AQo vs 3bet

    • GingerKid
      GingerKid
      Black
      Joined: 05.08.2007 Posts: 5,530
      iPoker - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BB: 114.54 BB (VPIP: 22.26, PFR: 19.49, 3Bet Preflop: 10.44, Hands: 2,738)
      UTG: 108.88 BB (VPIP: 21.92, PFR: 17.85, 3Bet Preflop: 7.55, Hands: 1,193)
      MP: 40 BB (VPIP: 21.72, PFR: 15.48, 3Bet Preflop: 7.63, Hands: 4,116)
      Hero (CO): 104.16 BB
      BTN: 40 BB (VPIP: 24.23, PFR: 19.98, 3Bet Preflop: 10.10, Hands: 1,015)
      SB: 120.28 BB (VPIP: 21.52, PFR: 17.73, 3Bet Preflop: 12.32, Hands: 917)

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A:club: Q:heart:

      fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, SB raises to 9 BB, fold, Hero calls 6 BB

      Flop: (19 BB, 2 players) 6:club: Q:diamond: 4:diamond:
      SB bets 12 BB, Hero calls 12 BB

      Turn: (43 BB, 2 players) K:spade:
      SB checks, Hero checks

      River: (43 BB, 2 players) 5:heart:
      SB bets 18 BB, Hero calls 18 BB

      Hero mucks A:club: Q:heart: (One Pair, Queens) (Pre 45%, Flop 2%, Turn 0%)
      SB shows 6:diamond: 6:spade: (Three of a Kind, Sixes) (Pre 55%, Flop 98%, Turn 100%)
      SB wins 75.06 BB


      hand2:
      iPoker - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BB: 40 BB (VPIP: 25.11, PFR: 19.97, 3Bet Preflop: 7.63, Hands: 2,536)
      Hero (CO): 102.18 BB
      BTN: 117.84 BB (VPIP: 40.63, PFR: 31.25, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 68)
      SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 21.51, PFR: 18.15, 3Bet Preflop: 7.46, Hands: 4,393)

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q:club: A:heart:

      Hero raises to 3 BB, BTN raises to 5 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

      Flop: (11.5 BB, 2 players) 8:heart: A:club: K:spade:
      Hero checks, BTN bets 5.74 BB, Hero calls 5.74 BB

      Turn: (22.98 BB, 2 players) 9:spade:
      Hero checks, BTN bets 17.22 BB, Hero calls 17.22 BB

      River: (57.42 BB, 2 players) 5:diamond:
      Hero checks, BTN bets 57.42 BB, Hero calls 57.42 BB

      Hero mucks Q:club: A:heart: (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 28%, Flop 3%, Turn 0%)
      BTN shows K:heart: K:club: (Three of a Kind, Kings) (Pre 72%, Flop 97%, Turn 100%)
      BTN wins 168.26 BB




      He 3bets 12%, vs CO 17%.

      I think that in general, I am losing the most money in 3bet pots when I call. My AQ should dominate his range, but I am rarely winning in this spots except when I hit nuts. Also I dont hit often enough the board and have to give up, or sometimes try to float but people 3 barrel a lot. So is it better to 4bet/call AQ vs wide 3betters? Probably it would be -EV move, but also my call AQ is -EV much bigger.
  • 4 replies
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.01.2010 Posts: 13,897
      Heya,

      Hand 1 is fine imo, hand 2 is close.

      In general in this spot you make money when you don't get it all in really. You win when they bet and give up later, you win when you get 1-2 streets of value after they check. Also, if you lose less than 300bb/100 on this call vs 3bet spot you are making money becuase if you fold everytime you get 3bet you lose that much with your hand. Losing less is better EV than open and folding all the time. Ofc, you can also 4bet or improve postflop play. That is a whole leakfinding process..
    • zumpar
      zumpar
      Bronze
      Joined: 05.02.2012 Posts: 1,185
      hand 1 is kinda no brainer, wp imo

      2nd is a fold thougn, unless u think he is like super spazzy to take this line with guthots from the flop, this is a clear fold
    • GingerKid
      GingerKid
      Black
      Joined: 05.08.2007 Posts: 5,530
      Originally posted by EmanuelC16
      Heya,

      Hand 1 is fine imo, hand 2 is close.

      In general in this spot you make money when you don't get it all in really. You win when they bet and give up later, you win when you get 1-2 streets of value after they check. Also, if you lose less than 300bb/100 on this call vs 3bet spot you are making money becuase if you fold everytime you get 3bet you lose that much with your hand. Losing less is better EV than open and folding all the time. Ofc, you can also 4bet or improve postflop play. That is a whole leakfinding process..
      Why do you think that hand2 is a fold? And fold which street? From the stats he is a fish, and he gives me good odds to call, so I think preflop I can't fold. On the flop, also I think I can't fold, because I hit almost the best board for me. AK anyway beats me, so having both A and K on board means there are less AK in his range. He could still value bet AJ or weaker or simply bluff with air.

      I think my leak in general is that I call down too much. Also I notice that in my stats, I always win a lot with non-showdown, and lose a lot with showdown. Basically it is almost always e.g I win with non-showdown 500$, and -500$ with showdown. does it mean that I am calling down too much and losing on showdown, or that I am too aggresive and lose when opponents call? Is it bad anyway?
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.01.2010 Posts: 13,897
      In hand 2 there are almost no bluffs or worse value bets in his range and you get bad odds when he pots it on the river. That's when I would fold.

      Regarding non-showdown vs showdown: it's usually a combination of both. You are agressive against people that call too much and possibly call too much against people that don't really bluff like in this AQ hand.