[NL2-NL10] NL5 FR QJs bluff - value bet on river?

    • Dawidas888
      Joined: 22.06.2009 Posts: 826
      Known Players:
      UTG3: $4.93 - 99 bb
      MP1: $5.00 - 100 bb
      MP2: $5.76 - 115 bb
      MP3: $6.06 - 121 bb
      CO: $9.28 - 186 bb
      BU: $6.76 - 135 bb
      SB: $5.11 - 102 bb
      BB: $12.80 - 256 bb

      0.02/0.05 No Limit Hold'em (8 Handed)
      Hand recorder for this hand: PokerStrategy.com SideKick 1.1.417.4

      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q:spade: , J:spade:
      SB posts small blind ($0.02), BB posts big blind ($0.05), UTG3 folds, MP1 raises for $0.15, MP2 folds, Hero 3-bets $0.45, 4 folds, MP1 calls

      Flop: ($0.97 - 19.40 bb) Q:diamond: , J:club: , 4:heart: (2 Players)
      MP1 checks, Hero bets $0.60, MP1 calls

      Turn: ($2.17 - 43.40 bb) 8:diamond: (2 Players)
      MP1 checks, Hero bets $1.40, MP1 calls

      River: ($4.97 - 99.40 bb) T:heart: (2 Players)
      MP1 checks, Hero checks


      MP1 was 17/15/6 over 158. Also, he traps with strong hands and does not raise flop/turn with a set.

      Preflop: don't want to call him as I will often be dominated. Opted to 3bet bluff as I have some blockers.

      Flop: His 3bet calling range is TT+, AQ+. I am good against a better part of his range so I want to extract value. Made a mistake by betting small, should bet $.80 or even full $1.
      If he has AK he is folding anyways. If he has KK+ he is paying me off as he tries to trap. If he has AQ I think he is still paying me off.

      Turn: same mistake as on the flop, should bet $2.

      River: was wondering if I could get thin value. It's highly unlikely that he has AK/QQ-TT. However, it's also unlikely he calls with KK+.

      Opted to check, but wonder if I lost value on the river (because I'm sure I lost a ton on flop and turn :f_mad: )?
  • 3 replies
    • CPallo
      Joined: 12.04.2012 Posts: 4,350
      It's a 3-bet pot, so you should cbet about 1/2 as default. DOn't get exploitable by betting bigger with hit..
    • BogdanPS
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Hi Dawidas,

      First, the bet sizings versus a reg in a 3-bet pot are fine. Generally we don't need to bet too large in these scenarios.

      Now, given the range you assign him, I think that we have a valuebet on the river, even if it's small. I doubt he can fold Qx (AQ, KQ) and if he trapped KK/AA he is never folding.
    • Dawidas888
      Joined: 22.06.2009 Posts: 826

      I am playing under the assumption that people don't adapt at this limit unless I'm given a reason to do otherwise. Vs regs I try to stay somewhat balanced but I doubt if even they take notes. And if they take a note about my play vs a fishy reg they would make a mistake when playing vs me heads up, so I'm happy :f_biggrin: Finally, if he has an OP he is never folding and I think I'll get more value by just betting bigger rather than trying to stay unpredictable.

      Edit: this guy wasn't a reg as he is trapping. Regs should know when to trap and when not and this is not the spot :f_cool:

      Edit#2: thanks for the evaluation. I thought I missed a bit of value on the river :f_frown: