cant win for shit

    • terrygilham
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      i just keep gettin donked and donked and donked, its been over 2 weeks now, ive lost about 30BIs which is quite a big deal, my accoun has gone from $100 to $67 in a few weeks. today i got AA 3 times and got cracked everytime. im getting fed up of playing great poker and being skinned by complete nobs calling with any kind of shir just for the fuck of it. i lose too many flips, every flip pretty much ive had i lost today. the only one that i won was when i got frustrated and tilted with QAo, got called by AKs and hit my queen on the river. its starting to feel like if i start to play like the people who alwasy beat me then maybe ill start running with a bit of dirty luck. hit 2 pair on the flop today in the suncity satellite, got a raise, pushed to knock him off the hand on a Q104 rainbow, i had 10 4 (was BB not just playing with crap) he called, this is the funy part. he had a king high, turn came king river came queen. he beat me with a better two pair. I know i made the right play becos i didnt want to see a turn or river for that exact reason plus i was pretty much a definite favourite for the pot. like i posted in the successes page today i won a live game which has given me real confidence, but i have preety much lost all confidence playing online poker. Play so well for so long and all it takes is one idiot to make a dumb call and get lucky(you know who you are if your reading this) then bam, im out of another tourney. what is the best thing to do. Deposit a big amount of cash and jump up a few limits or just keep trying to play my game at these limits and hope i start running lucky soon??? Plus i need a starting hand chart if anyone knows where i can get a copy of it id be much appreciated. wow,i think i needed to let off some steam.
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    • cannell555
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      What are you playing? Cash? BSS? SSS? FR? SS? FL? SnG's?
    • terrygilham
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      mainly MTTs but som cash games aswel, cash is not my forte but im improving id like to think.when i do well in an MTT i get suckered just b4 the final table and cash games i always get rivered, like standardly or pre flop push from a very loose player which ill call down with high pocket or AKs, which theyll go on to hit a few very lucky cards. Im 95/100 gettin my chips in he right situation, but im losing easily 40% of them, probably a bit more.
    • cannell555
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      Loosing 30 buyins playing MTT's isn't such a big swing. MTT's are very swingy, and should only be grinded by very experianced players imo. Have you tried playing some SnG's instead? Or maybe even try 27 or 45 man SnG's? They will more suit lower limit players. In terms of a MTT starting hand chart, the SnG hand chart in the strategy section will be a help to you.

      Also if you download ICM trainer in the downloads section. This will help your push/fold play alot. It is aimed more at SnG's but will help you if your playing MTT's!

      If you like you can send me a video of you playing MTT's, for me to evaluate your play.

      Visit here Beginners SnG analysis
    • terrygilham
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      im not a bad MTT player, infact im getting quite good i think, its just the limits im playing theres too many players who dont get it, or just dont care, getting push from Q3o in a freezeout tourney.cracking my KK, ive started making notes on all these players so a lot of them i know are coming, my push or fold could do with a bit of improvemnt but when blinds are high and your not gettin hands you have to loosen your starting hand a lot. play on hands you wouldnt even usually consider. it only gets me becos if it wasnt a luck game id be wining the limits im playing every time, unfortunately it is though. im playing 3 games at. a 30man SnG, and 2 re-buy tourney. $1500 guarantee, and a 50c re-buy, so see how those go, maybe i can get a top 5 cash in one of the re-buys, and i doubled up of the first hand in the SnGs with a better kicker for my par of queens.
    • terrygilham
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      yeah im gonna cash out and stop playing online. fed up of it, got AA got cracked by 66. got AK, got cracked A8, he hit a runner runer str8. pretty much everything. im down to $63, which is my own cash so im just gonna csh it out and stop playing online. go find a casino somewhere and start playing there. i prefer being able to consider my hand more and the opponent plus im good at readin somene in a live game. fuck online poker
    • terrygilham
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      decided to try something new, so i started playing BSS NL5, got AA, and got cracked again, thats 5 times now ive had AA that ive lost.
    • cannell555
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      Your fighting a loosing battle tbh. If someone refuses to accept that they need help, then they'll never get better. You will always stay at the same level. In terms of bad beats, they happen. If you get your money in ahead, you will win in the long run. Poker is an everlasting experiance, not based on 1,10,100, or even a 1000 games.

      I used to think I was invinsible, and I ever only lost due to bad beats. Fact is, as a beginner you might think your playing great, when in fact your not.

      I realize now, to be a good player you need to accept that your not a good player. Then your mind is open to accept new startegy's, accept what the correct plays really are. Even now I dont see myself as a good poker player, I look at it as i'm better than the majority at my limits. Which helps alot with the learning and mental side of the game.

      In terms of only playing live poker, I think thats foolish. You will never learn as quick as if you play online. To play poker you need to learn, and keep learning. You should be posting sample hands, and getting involved in any topic you can comment on in the forum. Just reading the forum is useless unless you put your point across aswell, who cares if you get told you are wrong a few times. As I said poker is about learning, not turning on a computer and becoming a millionaire.

      You shouldn't quit, you should just work on your game, you should become an active member of the community on the forum. But hey, its your choice.

      BTW, this is by no means flaming you, or speeking down at you. I hope you take the advice and put it to good use. Quiting is a loosers way out, and isn't necessary.

      GL at the tables!
      Stiev
    • cannell555
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      Originally posted by terrygilham
      decided to try something new, so i started playing BSS NL5, got AA, and got cracked again, thats 5 times now ive had AA that ive lost.
      Variance is a bitch. When you loose with AA, and it was played correctly. Shrug your shoulders and say to yourself, in the long run I will win with this type of play. Bad beats happen. Its making a mountain out of a mole hill, we all have bad spells. Just learn from them!
    • Tosh5457
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      I've been taking bad beats too, I've been losing all the coinflips, losing 70-30 (like AK vs A8) and here I am, always trying to improve my game. Shit happens, you gotta live with it....

      Though I'd say for you to get out of MTTs and play SNGs first to improve your game, that's what I'm doing. Then when you're more experienced, or your ROI is good you can go play MTTs.
    • terrygilham
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      thanks stiev and tosh for your advice. i decided to go and play BSS (I am a bit short on BRM though for BSS, have 13 BIs) on NL5, i find when ive played SSS before it hasnt worked to my advantage. I only played 170 hands but i think ive finally realised how to play cash games. i ended on a profit of about $4 as like i said my aces got cracked again which cost me a $5 buy-in, i think i played them badly though. After that i really stuck to a strategy, no stupid bluffing, no dumb calls, i made one questionable play but i did what the strategy articles tell you to do, raise pre-flop, one player calls, then raise on the flop, as it turned out he had a pair of kings but i hit my straight on the river after he allowed to see it for free checking the turn. Im not a looser and i wont give up, what i really need to do though is get my bankroll onto a site that i can use with pokerstrategy as i am currently using poker770 (made my bankroll from a free introductory offer of $7.70, which im really proud of). So after that session im back onto $66 which means im actually not on a loss today, sorry for all my bitchin but i think it helped me realise what i needed to do by letting off a bit of steam.
    • cannell555
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      I totally understand how people feel at these times, which is why I tried to give suggestions.

      Since your previous post your attitude has even changed. Admitting that you played the AA wrong is a huge factor here. Admiting when you play a hand wrong is something you need to do.

      After your session look at the hand again, and decide what was the right play. If your not sure, just post the hand for the evaluators to look at it.

      Dont be affraid to post your views on a topic, or to post hands that you played wrong. The community wouldn't work if people didn't ask/answer questions, and being told you are wrong is good for everyone. It really will help your game in the long run.


      I am having an ongowing descusion here, $22 SNG - A9 post bubble.

      And it seems I have a huge leak in my game. Admitting your wrong or you did a bad move is the key to success.

      Hope to see you on the forum.
      Stiev
    • terrygilham
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      wow i just walked into quad 10s with AA
    • Dippy19
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      Originally posted by terrygilham
      made my bankroll from a free introductory offer of $7.70,
      ??? I tried to make use of that offer a loooooooooooooooooooooooooong time ago, but they just ignored me X( :D

      Anyways, Terry, listen to these guys, they know what they're talking about. Poker is an on learning process and PS is a great place to learn :)

      And I agree with canell, variance is a bitch(at least in the downwards direction :rolleyes: )

      It will go better if you keep learning.

      Good luck!
    • terrygilham
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      yeah i was really pissed earlier, but then losing 6 out of 7 times with AA you would be a little cheesed off. just got a stroke of luck, playing against someone who kept playing aggressively, she ony had about 1.50 so i called her all in with AK on the flop with a 257 board just to se why she was playing so aggressively so i cud take some notes on her, as it turne out she wasnt bluffin, she had pocket 10s but i hit my K on the river so i got a nice bit of luck, and i got notes on another player. im gonna start posting sample hands wen i figure out how to do it and try not to take it so personnally when i lose to a donkey because as everyone knows in the longrun ill win more off hm then he does from me.
    • cannell555
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      Which site do you play? Do you have some tracking software? If so, which?

      I will give you help with how to post a hand, if I can.
    • terrygilham
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      poker770 untill i clear my bonus. then im going to set up with a site linked to pokerstrategy. i have no tracking software, cant use elephant on my comp
    • punta
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      Hi mate - I have been their X( Playing SSS and going knowhere. I must of had one of the worst downswing ever with a bank roll loss of 50% So I stopped completely to reassess, and decided SSS was NOT poker and I would never, never play it again, as you learn nowt.

      I want to play poker not sit there multi tabling folding every hand, then hit KK bet and every one folds, - SO what I did was STUDY, STUDY, STUDY - I like watching poker vids as I find its like having a session with out playing, but you are learning all the time - do a goggle search for free poker videos and there are loads out there.

      I only play SH now and I am starting to see a massive improvement in my game - I also bought Holdem Manager as I wanted to go though my plays at the end of a every session - I am still making mistakes, but they are NOT costing me much these days, thank goodness.

      I now spend 75% of my time studying and 25% playing. I find Poker books boring, so its videos all the way for me. I have one that I have now watched TEN times and this one vid has made me a better player for sure.

      I do not play MTT or SnG very often, as again I find them boring and so swingy with the push/fold stuff late on. I want to play in lots of pots and SH is what does it for me now – this time next year rodders :D

      GL at the tables.

      Paul
    • terrygilham
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      i always play SH tables. i still play tight though because you can usually pick up enough form the big pots that you dont need to risk any of the small ones. im not brilliant on my cash games but ive started tightening my game a lot an it seems to have improved me a lot. before when i played cash games i won because i was lucky, now it feels like its because i played well. need to re-read all the articles again and get to silver so i can read them.
    • terrygilham
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      so i got up this mornin and re-read the BSS articles and it has helped me loads. firstly ive now got a copy of the starting hand chart which i am strictly following, plus i flopped a straight from the BB and flopped trip 6s which became a full house on the turn, with 62o again from the BB, so ive had a really good mornin, back up to over $72 and im feeling much more confident. I'd like to thank everyone who left me comments to help me realise what mistakes i was making especially cannell, cheers man, now i can be a profit making online player rather then a breakeven. ill keep everyone updated on how im doing. dont worry though, i know i sill have a lot to learn, need to get to silver so i can read the articles
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