[NL20-NL50] K8s 4bet called

    • GingerKid
      GingerKid
      Black
      Joined: 05.08.2007 Posts: 5,530
      iPoker - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BB: 100.5 BB (VPIP: 25.33, PFR: 19.65, 3Bet Preflop: 11.58, Hands: 236)
      UTG: 134.92 BB (VPIP: 21.00, PFR: 15.41, 3Bet Preflop: 4.43, Hands: 530)
      CO: 72.98 BB (VPIP: 25.85, PFR: 20.24, 3Bet Preflop: 12.82, Hands: 422)
      Hero (BTN): 110.86 BB
      SB: 102.3 BB (VPIP: 21.73, PFR: 16.22, 3Bet Preflop: 8.51, Hands: 2,656)

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8:club: K:club:

      fold, fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, SB raises to 7 BB, fold, Hero raises to 16 BB, SB calls 9 BB

      Flop: (33 BB, 2 players) 4:diamond: 5:spade: 8:diamond:
      SB checks, Hero bets 11 BB, SB raises to 86.3 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 75.3 BB

      Turn: (205.6 BB, 2 players) A:heart:

      River: (205.6 BB, 2 players) Q:heart:

      Hero mucks 8:club: K:club: (One Pair, Eights) (Pre 29%, Flop 54%, Turn 73%)
      SB shows Q:diamond: K:diamond: (One Pair, Queens) (Pre 71%, Flop 46%, Turn 27%)
      SB wins 199.6 BB


      I am 4betting because I have a blocker and he folds 56% to 4bets. Is the size to small?

      How to proceed when i hit? I think I have most of the time the best hand since he stacks 99+, AQ+ from these positions. So I think he calls with some PP for set value, or with AJ, ATs, KQ, KJs, QJs.
      fold to shove? I see it as bluff with overcards, with fd, or sometimes PP which is 99 or smaller. I dont think that he would shove with nuts
  • 3 replies
    • pokerferrer
      pokerferrer
      Bronze
      Joined: 05.03.2008 Posts: 6,347
      If we are 4betting as bluff it is really a big leak to play top pair on stack. Because this isn't logical, you can't play top pair for value. I'm pretty sure it is really bottom of his range here: overcards + flushdraw.
    • GingerKid
      GingerKid
      Black
      Joined: 05.08.2007 Posts: 5,530
      Originally posted by pokerferrer
      If we are 4betting as bluff it is really a big leak to play top pair on stack. Because this isn't logical, you can't play top pair for value. I'm pretty sure it is really bottom of his range here: overcards + flushdraw.

      Agree, here my equity was better so the call was +EV, but if he would have 2 overcards it would be still +EV to call since I invested money, but in most of other cases I am far behind.
      It is the question if he would shove with just overcards since my cbet was small and he goes direct shove which is almost never strong hand.
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.01.2010 Posts: 13,897
      Hey,

      Preflop size is fine imo.

      Postflop, if you assume 99+ stacks off, I think getting it in is fine.

      What pokerferrer forgot is that our opponent's range cannot contain many better hands than K8 when he stacks off 99+ here like 90% of the time so then us investing so much makes it a stack off against a few 99+ hands plus many draws with overs that we have reverse dominated some of the time. We can also face hands like 87 imo that play like this for easy life since it has good enough equity.