[NL20-NL50] Calling Flop 4bet with FS

    • fotakis
      fotakis
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      I know that my line isn't straightforward. CO is 30/5 fish at 1,2k hands. BU is 9/3 at 360 hands.
      On the flop I need 34% equity .
      BU range on the flop is : KQ, KTs-KJs, AQs-Ats, 66, 33, 54s. Against this range - supposing BU folds - I have 40,7% equity plus his remaining stack, as he is commited. Isn't that a call?

      UTG: $16.83 (67.3 bb)
      MP: $25.38 (101.5 bb)
      CO: $7.59 (30.4 bb)
      BTN: $10.47 (41.9 bb)
      Hero (SB): $28.42 (113.7 bb)
      BB: $23.60 (94.4 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with T 8
      UTG calls $0.25, MP folds, CO calls $0.25, BTN calls $0.25, Hero completes, BB checks

      Flop: ($1.25) 6 K 3 (5 players)
      Hero bets $0.50, 2 folds, CO raises to $3.70, BTN raises to $6.90, Hero calls $6.40, CO folds

      Turn: ($18.75) 2 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $3.32 and is all-in, Hero calls $3.32

      River: ($25.39) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Results:
      $25.39 pot ($1.14 rake)
      Final Board: 6 K 3 2 2
      BTN mucked K Q and lost (-$10.47 net)
      Hero showed T 8 and won $24.25 ($13.78 net)
  • 5 replies
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      Joined: 02.01.2010 Posts: 13,897
      Hey,

      Why the 2bb bet on the flop first for all?

      As played, fold flop vs 2 raises. You only get one card FOR SURE here. There's no chance to take it down otherwise. Apart from that you heavily over-estimated your equity. He won't do that with any suited ace, he will do it with nut flushdraw. Easy fold imo but start by betting before.
    • fotakis
      fotakis
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      It's an information bet to see where I stand.
      In my opinion FS from BTN will just call. FS from CO may be raise. If I remove the suited Aces from his range, my equity doesn't change (39%).
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      How does making this bet increase your EV?

      Can you show me the EquiLab calculation that gives you 39% equity? I don't see you having that much even with that range you put in.


      Board: K:club: 6:club: 3:diamond:
             Equity     Win     Tie
      MP2    33.97%  33.96%   0.01% { Tc8c }
      MP3    66.03%  66.02%   0.01% { 66, 33, KTs+, AcQc, AcJc, AcTc, 5c4c, KQo }
    • fotakis
      fotakis
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      AcTc isn't in his range. I assume all 54s combos, not only 5c4c.


      Board: 3:diamond: K:club: 6:club:
             Equity     Win     Tie
      UTG    62.32%  62.28%   0.04% { 66, 33, KTs+, 54s, AcQc, AcJc, KQo }
      UTG+1  37.68%  37.64%   0.04% { Tc8c }
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      Joined: 02.01.2010 Posts: 13,897
      Heh, it's still 37%.

      I don't expect him to ship 54s really.. seems way too ambitious to shove 5 high.

      Your play as a whole is bad because you start off by betting 2bb. That 2bb is basically lost money, you have to only think in generating EV, not buying information. That 2bb bet doesn't generate EV. You can lead 2/3-3/4 pot or check/call on the flop, both should be fine but betting so small and then getting it in is not good at all.