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[NL20-NL50] Not able to wrap my head around this play

    • maheepsangari
      maheepsangari
      Silver
      Joined: 08.06.2010 Posts: 2,163
      PKR, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      MP: $25.87 (103.5 bb)
      CO: $22.42 (89.7 bb)
      BTN: $60.09 (240.4 bb) 77/8 13 hands
      SB: $27.22 (108.9 bb)8/0 13 hands
      Hero (BB): $25 (100 bb)
      UTG: $27.61 (110.4 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with 2 7
      2 folds, CO calls $0.25, BTN calls $0.25, SB completes, Hero checks

      Flop: ($1) 2 7 6 (4 players)
      SB bets $1, Hero raises to $3, CO folds, BTN calls $3, SB raises to $13.10, Hero raises to $24.75 and is all-in, BTN folds, SB calls $11.65

      I think a raise against the lead is in order but when the BU calls and SB 3bets should I just let go? Their range here is 76, FDs, OESD, would you give them sets? I'd be more comfortable shoving against one opponent not really sure about this spot.

      Turn: ($53.50) 8 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      River: ($53.50) T (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Results:
      $53.50 pot ($2.67 rake)
      Final Board: 2 7 6 8 T
      CO mucked and lost (-$0.25 net)
      BTN mucked and lost (-$3.25 net)
      SB showed 6 6 and won $50.83 ($25.83 net)
      Hero showed 2 7 and lost (-$25 net)
  • 4 replies
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,779
      Hi.

      Given the action, I think it's a really clear fold. What is SB's completing range here? I suppose the sample size is small with only 13 hands, but if let's say you had 100 hands on him, he looks so nitty and I think he is almost always going to have a set here.

      About BU: I don't think he's too relevant here, I think he just adds more dead money to the pot with his AA or random 7X. But I think his presence makes SB's ship even stronger.

      Even if this was only a 3way limped pot, I would never go broke here. Note that the SPR in a limped pot is super high.

      Here the effective stack size is around 100bb (25$) and the pot is $1 so SPR is around 25. I want you to try calculating the SPRs of a typical
      A. Single-raised pot
      B. 3-bet pot
      C. 4-bet pot (assuming you 4b and villain flats the 4b)
      D. 200bb in a single-raised pot

      would you stack off top+bottom pair in these various situations? Remember, the deeper the stacks, the stronger your hand needs to be to go all-in.
    • maheepsangari
      maheepsangari
      Silver
      Joined: 08.06.2010 Posts: 2,163
      Yeah I think I'm really pushing some hands a lot lately that should be folded.

      SPR

      A. 13:1 considering 1.5bb dead money and 3bb open raise.
      B. 4.67:1 considering 9bb 3bet and blinds dead money
      C. 1.46:1 considering I 4bet to 25bb
      D. 26:1

      So my hand was like playing a 200bb deep hand in a single raised pot. Now it seems like a clear fold cause I wouldn't move in with a 200bb stack in a single raised pot here.

      I would stack off against B and C here, maybe not even against A now.
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,779
      yep that looks about right, now play more cautiously in limped pots in the future :D

      Also vs people who are good enough to fold, you should know that you could potentially put a ton of pressure on those guys. Remember that as the player in the BB, you can usually rep any two-pair on most low boards.

      That doesn't apply for boards with 2 high cards like AK9, cos you would have raised with AA/KK/AK
    • maheepsangari
      maheepsangari
      Silver
      Joined: 08.06.2010 Posts: 2,163
      Originally posted by mbml

      Also vs people who are good enough to fold, you should know that you could potentially put a ton of pressure on those guys. Remember that as the player in the BB, you can usually rep any two-pair on most low boards.

      That doesn't apply for boards with 2 high cards like AK9, cos you would have raised with AA/KK/AK
      Thanks for the advice :s_thumbsup: