[NL20-NL50] ATo min raise river

    • GingerKid
      GingerKid
      Black
      Joined: 05.08.2007 Posts: 5,530
      iPoker - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      Hero (BB): 108.04 BB
      CO: 101 BB (VPIP: 18.09, PFR: 15.66, 3Bet Preflop: 6.93, Hands: 1,651)
      BTN: 119.8 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 27.27, 3Bet Preflop: 23.08, Hands: 22)
      SB: 134.6 BB (VPIP: 16.46, PFR: 10.01, 3Bet Preflop: 3.37, Hands: 6,473)

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T:spade: A:club:

      CO raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

      Flop: (6.5 BB, 2 players) T:diamond: 7:spade: Q:club:
      Hero checks, CO checks

      Turn: (6.5 BB, 2 players) T:club:
      Hero checks, CO bets 4.86 BB, Hero calls 4.86 BB

      River: (16.22 BB, 2 players) 6:diamond:
      Hero checks, CO bets 12.16 BB, Hero raises to 25 BB, CO calls 12.84 BB

      Hero shows T:spade: A:club: (Three of a Kind, Tens) (Pre 60%, Flop 20%, Turn 95%)
      CO shows Q:diamond: K:spade: (Two Pair, Queens and Tens) (Pre 40%, Flop 80%, Turn 5%)
      Hero wins 62.92 BB


      Do you think that calling oop is bad? I didnt want to 3bet him, because I already did it couple of time few minutes ago, and he opens 22% CO. So I felt as too weak to 3bet (and hand which makes problem when I hit) and to weak to fold vs co. Is calling too bad? I planned to float, if I hit some outs.

      It is interesting that he cbets only 44% (meaning only when hits, or draws) but this hand he checks behind and it is drawy. So could I raise him as bluff in future or float to exploit it when he cbets on A, K, Q high because it is probably bluff?

      Do you think that check turn is ok? He is regg, and most regg would bet when twice checked. What about min raise on river? What if he shoves? I would have hard time folding if he shoves. I dont expect much value in raise but sometimes he could call Tx, or buttom pair if doesnt beleive me.
  • 3 replies
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
      Basic
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Hi GingerKid,

      Preflop: he does open 22% but I'd expect even someone like him to adjust 4-way and perhaps open a wider range. Given the other info that we have (doesn't cbet much) I do not mind calling here preflop

      Postflop: As played I wouldn't jump to conclusions that he only cbets if he hits. You have a lot of hands so we should have a better idea about what he checks back and his overall line.

      I do agree that checking turn to allow him to go for a delay cbet is fine and since we don't know that he checks back hands as strong as Qx I do agree with ck/call. As played I'd raise river larger to about 30 BB or so. I would not fold to a reraise either.

      In the future I would also not jump to fast conclusion saying that he only bets bluffs on A,K, Q but he did weaken his overall range when he checks something like this here. I would definitely be more inclined to raise but I would not do it just with any two cards and rather keep some equity (backdoors, gutshots, etc).
    • GingerKid
      GingerKid
      Black
      Joined: 05.08.2007 Posts: 5,530
      iPoker - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      Hero (BB): 137.1 BB
      CO: 107.1 BB (VPIP: 22.33, PFR: 19.22, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 1,445)
      BTN: 392.1 BB (VPIP: 16.48, PFR: 10.02, 3Bet Preflop: 3.37, Hands: 6,475)
      SB: 101 BB (VPIP: 18.09, PFR: 15.68, 3Bet Preflop: 6.93, Hands: 1,656)

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 2:club: Q:club:

      fold, fold, SB raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

      Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) 4:club: 4:spade: 5:club:
      SB bets 4.5 BB, Hero raises to 13 BB, SB calls 8.5 BB

      Turn: (32 BB, 2 players) K:diamond:
      SB checks, Hero bets 13 BB, SB calls 13 BB

      River: (58 BB, 2 players) K:heart:
      SB checks, Hero checks

      Hero mucks 2:club: Q:club: (Two Pair, Kings and Fours) (Pre 27%, Flop 45%, Turn 27%)
      SB shows A:spade: 2:spade: (Two Pair, Kings and Fours) (Pre 73%, Flop 55%, Turn 73%)
      SB wins 55.1 BB


      The same guy right after the previous hand. As I said I wanted to try to raise him on next time he cbets (when I think he bluffs). Would you bet bet shove? I bet smaller on turn to look as I had overpair on flop, because my raise looked as bluff.
      So I guess I should just call, and take down the pot on turn. It is interesting, that people give me so little credit to my raises, even thought I am mostly raising with nuts. And will surely start with TPTK.
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
      Basic
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Originally posted by GingerKid
      iPoker - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      Hero (BB): 137.1 BB
      CO: 107.1 BB (VPIP: 22.33, PFR: 19.22, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 1,445)
      BTN: 392.1 BB (VPIP: 16.48, PFR: 10.02, 3Bet Preflop: 3.37, Hands: 6,475)
      SB: 101 BB (VPIP: 18.09, PFR: 15.68, 3Bet Preflop: 6.93, Hands: 1,656)

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 2:club: Q:club:

      fold, fold, SB raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

      Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) 4:club: 4:spade: 5:club:
      SB bets 4.5 BB, Hero raises to 13 BB, SB calls 8.5 BB

      Turn: (32 BB, 2 players) K:diamond:
      SB checks, Hero bets 13 BB, SB calls 13 BB

      River: (58 BB, 2 players) K:heart:
      SB checks, Hero checks

      Hero mucks 2:club: Q:club: (Two Pair, Kings and Fours) (Pre 27%, Flop 45%, Turn 27%)
      SB shows A:spade: 2:spade: (Two Pair, Kings and Fours) (Pre 73%, Flop 55%, Turn 73%)
      SB wins 55.1 BB


      The same guy right after the previous hand. As I said I wanted to try to raise him on next time he cbets (when I think he bluffs). Would you bet bet shove? I bet smaller on turn to look as I had overpair on flop, because my raise looked as bluff.
      So I guess I should just call, and take down the pot on turn. It is interesting, that people give me so little credit to my raises, even thought I am mostly raising with nuts. And will surely start with TPTK.
      One of the reasons you got so little credit here is that the board is paired and you represent very little value with all those draws out there. I do agree that his float is rather light so he is either more of a calling station or your image is really trashed.

      However I think that I would prefer a different bet size on the turn of at least half pot. We would not bet so small with our "real" value range and a lot of people don't have many PPs on the flop. Afterall you are 4-handed in BvB so you don't have TT+. So really you are left with some 66-99 that may not even raise the flop most of the time. So you can see how hard it is to rep much on such a board.