[NL2-NL10] NL10 - JJ multiway in 3bet pot

    • MoneyStef
      MoneyStef
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      Joined: 11.01.2011 Posts: 1,501
      Pre-flop: think I can call for setmining/playing a high pair in position.
      Flop: Because the bet is rather low, I call to re-evaluate on the turn
      Turn: I don't put SB on a strong range, as he would normally Cbet the turn as well. CO could have 7-x, but I also see a lot of pocket pairs still in his range. Is it good to bet here?


      iPoker - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BB: 155.8 BB (VPIP: 69.23, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
      Hero (UTG): 99.5 BB
      MP: 100.5 BB (VPIP: 44.44, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 18)
      CO: 164.8 BB (VPIP: 83.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
      BTN: 65.8 BB (VPIP: 22.97, PFR: 18.92, 3Bet Preflop: 15.38, Hands: 75)
      SB: 129.8 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 8)

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J:spade: J:diamond:

      Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, CO calls 3 BB, fold, SB raises to 10 BB, fold, Hero calls 7 BB, CO calls 7 BB

      Flop: (31 BB, 3 players) 2:spade: 7:heart: 7:club:
      SB bets 15.5 BB, Hero calls 15.5 BB, CO calls 15.5 BB

      Turn: (77.5 BB, 3 players) 4:club:
      SB checks, Hero bets 30 BB
  • 5 replies
    • Dawidas888
      Dawidas888
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      Joined: 22.06.2009 Posts: 826
      Hi MoneyStef

      PREFLOP
      I would fold as you don't meet Call15 rule requirements and there is another guy behind you. On the other hand, the CO seems fishy and unlikely to make a play in this spot. So its close.

      FLOP
      Calling is fine.

      TURN
      I wouldn't bet as you don't really need to protect vs lower pairs and SB may still have QQ+ who are making a fancy play (you all have less than a pot size bet left). So on turn I would check behind and hope to check it down. I would fold on the river if SB leads again.
    • MoneyStef
      MoneyStef
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      Hi Dawidas,

      Thanks for the comment. However pre-flop seems pretty standard actually. In 3bet pots the "call 20" rule is far too strict as you are facing a much stronger range. In addition, JJ definitely has ok equity against SBs range + the player behind will probably call the 3bet as well. I think I would hardly ever fold JJ in position against this sizing. In this particular situation I would probably call every pocket pair, although you could consider folding let's say 22-66.

      Turn: I bet for 2 reasons:
      1) protection against the SB overcards, which is his most likely holding
      2) get value from COs pocket pairs. If he has e.g. pocket 9s, he will be more reluctant to call a bet if let's say a T or a Q hits on the river.

      So I do not specifically bet to protect against low pairs. But if 1 villain has 2 overcards, and the other a lower pocket pair, you have already 8 outs to protect against.

      But still, it's a bit of a though spot, because as you said, SB might still be trapping, or CO slowplaying a 7-x type of hand...
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
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      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Hi MoneyStef,

      Preflop: The fact that we get squeezed in the UTG and that we have a guy IP makes me reconsider calling there for "set value" however the squeeze is on the smaller side at just 10 BB. If he made it 12 BB then I'd fold for sure.

      As played your turn bet is fine but what's your plan if raised by either guy? But I do agree with the bet.
    • MoneyStef
      MoneyStef
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      Thanks Bogdan.

      Against a raise? I guess it would be a fold, but I'm not sure if I will ever get raised. The CO raising me would not make much sense, because he would slowplay his monsters and just call his pocket pairs. The SB would take a very strange line, because check with the intention to check raise is not a good plan against 2 villains.


      Can you judge the next street as well? I prefer to push the river as I am committed anyway, and the range that I beat will just check behind on the river.

      iPoker - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BB: 155.8 BB (VPIP: 69.23, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
      Hero (UTG): 99.5 BB
      MP: 100.5 BB (VPIP: 30.56, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 37)
      CO: 164.8 BB (VPIP: 83.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
      BTN: 65.8 BB (VPIP: 26.42, PFR: 21.70, 3Bet Preflop: 14.71, Hands: 108)
      SB: 129.8 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 8)

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J:spade: J:diamond:

      Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, CO calls 3 BB, fold, SB raises to 10 BB, fold, Hero calls 7 BB, CO calls 7 BB

      Flop: (31 BB, 3 players) 2:spade: 7:heart: 7:club:
      SB bets 15.5 BB, Hero calls 15.5 BB, CO calls 15.5 BB

      Turn: (77.5 BB, 3 players) 4:club:
      SB checks, Hero bets 30 BB, CO calls 30 BB, fold

      River: (137.5 BB, 2 players) 2:diamond:
      Hero bets 44 BB, CO calls 44 BB

      Hero mucks J:spade: J:diamond: (Two Pair, Jacks and Sevens) (Pre 18%, Flop 8%, Turn 5%)
      CO shows Q:spade: Q:club: (Two Pair, Queens and Sevens) (Pre 82%, Flop 92%, Turn 95%)
      CO wins 210.5 BB
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
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      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Given the effective stack left and the potential fishiness of the villain I think you have an easy shove for value on the river.

      He may even call A high there and I can't see any pair folding.