[NL20-NL50] AA bluff catch

    • GingerKid
      GingerKid
      Black
      Joined: 05.08.2007 Posts: 5,530
      iPoker - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      SB: 76.32 BB (VPIP: 16.42, PFR: 9.97, 3Bet Preflop: 3.35, Hands: 6,509)
      BB: 46.68 BB (VPIP: 28.00, PFR: 25.33, 3Bet Preflop: 11.29, Hands: 154)
      Hero (CO): 100.98 BB
      BTN: 127.3 BB (VPIP: 21.57, PFR: 19.13, 3Bet Preflop: 8.64, Hands: 1,180)

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A:spade: A:diamond:

      Hero raises to 2.5 BB, BTN calls 2.5 BB, fold, fold

      Flop: (6.5 BB, 2 players) 4:club: 3:club: 6:heart:
      Hero checks, BTN bets 5 BB, Hero calls 5 BB

      Turn: (16.5 BB, 2 players) Q:diamond:
      Hero checks, BTN bets 14 BB, Hero calls 14 BB

      River: (44.5 BB, 2 players) 9:diamond:
      Hero checks, BTN checks

      Hero shows A:spade: A:diamond: (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 81%, Flop 61%, Turn 77%)
      BTN shows 5:heart: 5:spade: (One Pair, Fives) (Pre 19%, Flop 39%, Turn 23%)
      Hero wins 42.28 BB


      Is it ok to bluff catch? He folds cbet 56%, and his AF 2.6. I cant represent much on this board, so is it ok to protect my check range this way?


      iPoker - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BB: 87.36 BB (VPIP: 24.16, PFR: 19.33, 3Bet Preflop: 9.01, Hands: 272)
      UTG: 131.42 BB (VPIP: 19.05, PFR: 19.05, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
      MP: 103.58 BB (VPIP: 21.19, PFR: 20.53, 3Bet Preflop: 9.84, Hands: 156)
      CO: 44 BB (VPIP: 25.40, PFR: 20.35, 3Bet Preflop: 8.19, Hands: 2,833)
      BTN: 269.36 BB (VPIP: 13.04, PFR: 13.04, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
      Hero (SB): 100 BB

      Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T:club: T:spade:

      fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB calls 2 BB

      Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) K:heart: 7:diamond: 5:spade:
      Hero checks, BB bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB

      Turn: (14 BB, 2 players) 2:diamond:
      Hero checks, BB bets 8 BB, Hero calls 8 BB

      River: (30 BB, 2 players) J:diamond:
      Hero checks, BB bets 19 BB, Hero calls 19 BB

      BB shows 6:diamond: 9:diamond: (Flush, Jack High) (Pre 19%, Flop 24%, Turn 27%)
      Hero mucks T:club: T:spade: (One Pair, Tens) (Pre 81%, Flop 76%, Turn 73%)
      BB wins 64.6 BB


      I often play middle pair this way, especially vs aggro opponent bvb. I would play Kx this way. his AF is 5.5, and he defends blinds a lot by calling. I think that J on river doesnt change much, since I would expect him to check behind with e.g AJ.
      So the result was that he started betting air, and ends up with nuts. I am not sure if I should call river. I dont have info if he bets river also or checks as the guy from hand 1.
  • 4 replies
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
      Basic
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Hi Ginger,

      I recommend that you keep each hand separate so we can have a discussion on each.

      Hand 1: You have a big sample so what's his bet vs missed cbet? I can't see why we would slowp lay like this 3 streets and not raise at some point. I'd actually either just bet flop (his f cbet should be smaller on this board and given positions) or ck/raise if he bets often when checked to.

      Hand2: Same as with hand one check the one important stat for such plays: Vs Missed Cbets... how often does he bet? What's his aggro by street.

      I feel that as played it's hard to fol the river even though he may have backdoors just because he is really aggro and our hand looks really weak (small pair).
    • GingerKid
      GingerKid
      Black
      Joined: 05.08.2007 Posts: 5,530
      Originally posted by BogdanPS
      Hi Ginger,

      I recommend that you keep each hand separate so we can have a discussion on each.

      Hand 1: You have a big sample so what's his bet vs missed cbet? I can't see why we would slowp lay like this 3 streets and not raise at some point. I'd actually either just bet flop (his f cbet should be smaller on this board and given positions) or ck/raise if he bets often when checked to.

      Hand2: Same as with hand one check the one important stat for such plays: Vs Missed Cbets... how often does he bet? What's his aggro by street.

      I feel that as played it's hard to fol the river even though he may have backdoors just because he is really aggro and our hand looks really weak (small pair).
      OK, I will post separately in future, I thought it is better this way, since the question is similar.

      I never used stat bet vs missed cbet because I couldnt find it in pt4, but now I google it and found that it is float flop, turn and river.

      Hand1:
      He floats flop 1/1, turn 4/5, river 1/3. AF flop 2.5, turn 2.5, river 1.25
      Regarding his float stats, is it enough sample to consider it? As I noticed, in NL50 most people will bet flop and turn vs missed cbet, and river mostly isnt bluff.

      Hand2:

      Float 3/5 flop, turn no info, river no info. AF 4.5, 5 and 2.
      Still I think float sample is too small, especially If I dont have turn and river.
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
      Basic
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      I never used PT4 so I'm sure how they calculate those numbers.

      In HM you see how often someone bets when you check as the PFR (both OOP and IP).

      Given that you have 1200 hands on the first guy and barely any float stats tells me that the number may be calculated way differently so we may not be able to use it as good.

      But I do think that in the first hand we ought to raise at some point.
    • Tomaloc
      Tomaloc
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.01.2011 Posts: 6,858
      when someone bets vs missed cbet oop = probe bet
      when someone bets vs missed cbet ip = float bet

      these are stats that i really like to use myself and it's indeed weird that at 1.2k hands there's only 1 sample on float flop.